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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by NashvilleDevil View Post
    Roy has hired Hubert Davis to replace the departing Jerrod Haase. Does this mean Jay replaces him on gameday?
    It took me awhile to realize you must mean Jay Williams (I still call him Jason) and not Jay Bilas. Could the panel handle having 2 Dukies on it?

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Duvall View Post
    Redick was considered a better shooter than Barnes because he shot better than Barnes.
    Period, over and out. Come on, we're metering barnes vs. the best pure shooter in ACC lore?
    Who gives a toot what Barnes ever did or will do? Let's focus people.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by NashvilleDevil View Post
    Roy has hired Hubert Davis to replace the departing Jerrod Haase. Does this mean Jay replaces him on gameday?
    Holy cow, poor Hubert. Why the h-e-double sticks does he need that aggravation?

  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by weezie View Post
    Holy cow, poor Hubert. Why the h-e-double sticks does he need that aggravation?
    Yeah, really. I actually like Hubert; pretty sharp guy who has a sense of humor and likes to laugh.

    For Hubert's sake, I hope he doesn't burst into laughter at some inopportune moment, like when Ole Roy is on a tirade or some self-pitying rant.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by roywhite View Post
    Yeah, really. I actually like Hubert; pretty sharp guy who has a sense of humor and likes to laugh.

    For Hubert's sake, I hope he doesn't burst into laughter at some inopportune moment, like when Ole Roy is on a tirade or some self-pitying rant.
    Hubert is where he belongs. He is way too much a homer to be on a TV commentary show. May he RIP at the dump on the hump.

  6. #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by weezie View Post
    Holy cow, poor Hubert. Why the h-e-double sticks does he need that aggravation?
    Gotta be a better gig than working with Vitale and/or Digger.
    [redacted] them and the horses they rode in on.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Indoor66 View Post
    Hubert is where he belongs. He is way too much a homer to be on a TV commentary show. May he RIP at the dump on the hump.
    Well, ok, but I thought he was not one of the most unwashed when it came to Duke. Seemed not quite the worst ever, but if you say so...I'd follow my Indoor66 Captain before any spawn of the ugh blue.
    But still, I'd prefer the commentary gig, with the cash, seats and travel accommodations over the eye-bleed boring stadium wimpy blue.

  8. #88
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    Quote Originally Posted by weezie View Post
    Well, ok, but I thought he was not one of the most unwashed when it came to Duke. Seemed not quite the worst ever, but if you say so...I'd follow my Indoor66 Captain before any spawn of the ugh blue.
    But still, I'd prefer the commentary gig, with the cash, seats and travel accommodations over the eye-bleed boring stadium wimpy blue.
    Yep, Hubert is now back on the whine...errr, wine and cheese circuit.

    Doesn't seem appealing, but appears to be a voluntary confinement.

    Does the Worldwide Leader now seek out another Tarheel for the commentary gig? Not easy finding one who can deliver some reasonable observations and avoid moments of light blue rapture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildeac View Post
    Gotta be a better gig than working with Vitale and/or Digger.
    As much of a freak as Roy is, can you imagine having to work with Digger every day?!? Better double my meds, Doc, it's gonna be a bumpy ride . . . .

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by 1 24 90 View Post
    It took me awhile to realize you must mean Jay Williams (I still call him Jason) and not Jay Bilas. Could the panel handle having 2 Dukies on it?
    I bet they would give the spot to Gottlieb before Jay (Williams).

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Indoor66 View Post
    Hubert is where he belongs. He is way too much a homer to be on a TV commentary show. May he RIP at the dump on the hump.
    So true. I used to get so mad at how he would unadbashedly pull for the heels, while Jay W. and Jay B. would go out of their way not to be homers to the point I think they actually distanced themselves at times from Duke.

    As far as the front cover story saying this is a very smart move by Roy, ehhh. Maybe, and only because he is a UNC guy. When you look down the bench you sure don't see many UNC guys there now.

    As far as him being able to add something to UNC's ability to recruit, and the clear point to the statement was that he would reach a demographic that Ol Roy does not or can not is a little far fetched to me. For one, Hubert Davis is not from the "inner city" so "street cred" is not going to be his strong suite. He played HS ball in Burke VA, and went to the same school as Mia Hamm. The median household income reported for Burke is over $113K and the population is 75% white and 5% african american.

    Second, Ol Roy isn't having much difficulting in recruiting so hiring someone to help him with a problem he doesn't seem to be having is odd. The one thing I will say about Ol Roy is that he can turn on that "good ol boy act, that seems to sell well in the living room".

    Hubert did seem to know what he was talking about most of the time if you could get by his sillness. He seems like a nice guy and he will probably be a decent assistant coach, but this isn't a game changing hire for UNC in my opinion. In fact it is a pretty boring and safe move.

  12. #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by Class of '94 View Post
    Even though he's not a UNC player, I would also say Paul Pierce comes to mind since Roy did coach him and I believe Kansas played the same system when Roy was the HC there as Carolina plays now.
    Yes, but Paul Pierce played in the NCAA over a decade ago. No high school basketball player is going to remember that! And if college recruits can't remember it, then it pretty much never happened. Or so I've been told. Roy Williams simply hasn't brought in a big-time wing recruit in ages. This is why you keep hearing UNC fans complain about not being a "small forward school" along the lines of Texas (Durant) or Syracuse (Carmelo). I mean, Shabazz never even considered UNC. Seems unusual that the top recruit in the country would totally ignore one of the top programs, unless people in the know informed him of the truth: UNC is where small forwards go to die.

    Look at the facts:

    - No proportionally sized SF Coach
    - No All-Star level SFs currently in the NBA
    - A series of SFs who were total busts, culminating with Barnes
    - Top incoming SF? J.P. Tokoto (ranked #68 in the RSCI, and as low as #87 by some)

    No wonder Marvin Williams decided to get outta dodge after just one year. UNC just doesn't develop wing players.

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Jderf View Post
    Yes, but Paul Pierce played in the NCAA over a decade ago. No high school basketball player is going to remember that! And if college recruits can't remember it, then it pretty much never happened. Or so I've been told. Roy Williams simply hasn't brought in a big-time wing recruit in ages. This is why you keep hearing UNC fans complain about not being a "small forward school" along the lines of Texas (Durant) or Syracuse (Carmelo). I mean, Shabazz never even considered UNC. Seems unusual that the top recruit in the country would totally ignore one of the top programs, unless people in the know informed him of the truth: UNC is where small forwards go to die.

    Look at the facts:

    - No proportionally sized SF Coach
    - No All-Star level SFs currently in the NBA
    - A series of SFs who were total busts, culminating with Barnes
    - Top incoming SF? J.P. Tokoto (ranked #68 in the RSCI, and as low as #87 by some)

    No wonder Marvin Williams decided to get outta dodge after just one year. UNC just doesn't develop wing players.
    You're just a hater. Probably a big meany as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indoor66 View Post
    You're just a hater. Probably a big meany as well.
    Haha, I hope no one is actually taking all that seriously. Or maybe I hope that they are. It's tough to choose.

  15. #95
    I think we are all overlooking the fact that Roy developed the greatest wing player of all time - MJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by niveklaen View Post
    I think we are all overlooking the fact that Roy developed the greatest wing player of all time - MJ
    Greatest NBA player of all time, you mean. He was never quite as dominant in college as he later became in the NBA. It's almost as if something was holding him back...

  17. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jderf View Post
    Greatest NBA player of all time, you mean. He was never quite as dominant in college as he later became in the NBA. It's almost as if something was holding him back...
    Bill Russell. Wilt Chamberlin. Oscar Robertson.

    maybe the best in recent memory.

  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by BD80 View Post
    Bill Russell. Wilt Chamberlin. Oscar Robertson.

    maybe the best in recent memory.
    Come on...

    I'll grant you that Jordan's being named the best ACC player was atrocious, that honor belongs to David Thompson and will allow an argument for Ralph Sampson.

    However, Jordan is the best basketball player of all time. I have a hard time awarding that distinction to a center because they don't have to be as skilled to be dominant. Russell and Wilt were both significantly bigger and more athletic than their peers and they did what was needed to be done in order for them and their teams to be great. The Big O was a phenomenal offensive player, but MJ was one of the best defenders of all time and I've never heard Robertson receive any of that type of accolades.

    Jordan was a Heel, is a terrible front office guy, and certainly isn't going to win any "great guy" awards... The latter of that list being significantly underplayed by the media throughout his career and post-career, but to not have him at the very least in the top 2 appears to me to be a little silly. The only player that I would consider classifying as better would be Magic, but to my estimation Jordan was the best player to ever pick up a basketball, and probably will ever pick up a ball, it would take somebody really, really special to take that spot.

    Especially as a Duke fan, if you take that argument outside the confines of this board, you'd be considered bitter at the least. I never got to see the three players you mentioned play, but from what I have seen and what I know of them, they are spectacular players, and Russell's 11 rings give some credence to your premise, but I respectfully disagree.


    Well, that was off topic. I'm actually going to miss Hubert on Gameday, I liked seeing he and Jay go back and forth and shutting Digger out of the conversation for as long as possible. I'd love to see Jay get back on the bench, especially if he decided to hop on the Duke bench because I think that he's great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BD80 View Post
    Bill Russell. Wilt Chamberlin. Oscar Robertson.

    maybe the best in recent memory.
    Some guy by the name of Kareem wasn't to shabby either and as long as we're throwing names out there how about Doctor J? Those of us who grew up watching him play as a Net will attest to just how good he was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dukehky View Post
    Come on...

    I'll grant you that Jordan's being named the best ACC player was atrocious, that honor belongs to David Thompson and will allow an argument for Ralph Sampson.

    However, Jordan is the best basketball player of all time. I have a hard time awarding that distinction to a center because they don't have to be as skilled to be dominant. Russell and Wilt were both significantly bigger and more athletic than their peers and they did what was needed to be done in order for them and their teams to be great. The Big O was a phenomenal offensive player, but MJ was one of the best defenders of all time and I've never heard Robertson receive any of that type of accolades.

    Jordan was a Heel, is a terrible front office guy, and certainly isn't going to win any "great guy" awards... The latter of that list being significantly underplayed by the media throughout his career and post-career, but to not have him at the very least in the top 2 appears to me to be a little silly. The only player that I would consider classifying as better would be Magic, but to my estimation Jordan was the best player to ever pick up a basketball, and probably will ever pick up a ball, it would take somebody really, really special to take that spot.

    Especially as a Duke fan, if you take that argument outside the confines of this board, you'd be considered bitter at the least. I never got to see the three players you mentioned play, but from what I have seen and what I know of them, they are spectacular players, and Russell's 11 rings give some credence to your premise, but I respectfully disagree.


    Well, that was off topic. I'm actually going to miss Hubert on Gameday, I liked seeing he and Jay go back and forth and shutting Digger out of the conversation for as long as possible. I'd love to see Jay get back on the bench, especially if he decided to hop on the Duke bench because I think that he's great.


    I agree fully with you about David Thompson as the best ever NCAA player

    But gotta disagree about Jordan
    If you remember Thompson, you must have seen these other guys - Russell or Karem or Wilt (although I could not stand him) or to look at non-centers, Oscar Roberton or Jerry Lucas were comparable to or better than Jordan. Yeah, it is very debatable and Jordan is the best in the last 20-or so years, but you can't write off the others.

    My personal choice for best player (not best scorer) ever is Russell. If you never saw him play, you really missed someone who really understood and knew how to play the game.

    Jim

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