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    2012 Olympic Team

    I realize we're getting a little off topic, but here is the latest educated guess for the 19 players coach K is expected to start out with and cut down to 12 for the olympic team.......
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    Good Post!

    Quote Originally Posted by Wheat/"/"/" View Post
    I realize we're getting a little off topic, but here is the latest educated guess for the 19 players coach K is expected to start out with and cut down to 12 for the olympic team.......
    Probably worth a totally new thread. Thanks, Wheat. I kinda figured the final team would be about one-hapf repeats from Beijing, one-helf younger guys from the last US team. And maybe, just maybe room for a college player or rookie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    Probably worth a totally new thread. Thanks, Wheat. I kinda figured the final team would be about one-hapf repeats from Beijing, one-helf younger guys from the last US team. And maybe, just maybe room for a college player or rookie.

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    Actually...

    Quote Originally Posted by gam7 View Post
    Blake Griffin is the only invitee who did not play on the last Olympic team or the 2010 World Championship team.
    ...assuming Mr. Sheridan's "International Sources" are accurate, Lamarcus Aldridge would be another invitee not from a previous USA Basketball team. He has a great offensive game for a big! Some tough decisions to make there.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Un...asketball_team

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...asketball_team

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    Gold or bust

    I know several unc fans that didnt pull for the usa in the olympics because k was involved. Dont let any unc or uk fan fool you, they would love nothing more than to see the usa team get a bronze.

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    2012 Olympic Team Roster

    DBR linked to this on the front page.

    Here's the alleged roster:
    • LaMarcus Aldridge
    • Carmelo Anthony
    • Chauncey Billups
    • Chris Bosh
    • Kobe Bryant
    • Tyson Chandler
    • Kevin Durant
    • Eric Gordon
    • Blake Griffin
    • Dwight Howard
    • Andre Iguodala
    • LeBron James
    • Kevin Love
    • Lamar Odom
    • Chris Paul
    • Derrick Rose
    • Dwyane Wade
    • Russell Westbrook
    • Deron Williams


    That's 20 guys and will need to be cut down to 12 for the Olympics. Coach K seems to like guys who can play multiple positions and who can sacrifice their egos for the success of the team. Also we'll be playing international FIBA rules.

    2008 players not on this list: Boozer, Kidd, Prince, Redd.
    2010 players not on this list: Curry, Gay, Granger.

    Keeping those things in mind, let's go through by position:

    Point Guard - Billups, Paul, Rose, Westbrook, Williams. We wont be taking 5 pg's and I think Billups is the easy cut here. He is injured right now and may not come out the other side of this season unscathed. I think Paul's knees bear watching, but he's automatically on this team if he can go. If Paul plays I think it becomes a fight between Deron and Russell for the 3rd pg slot. Rajon Rondo could play his way into a tryout. He's leading the league in assists and his jumper is falling. I think John Wall is out this time but could get consideration in 2014.
    Projection: Paul, Rose, Williams.

    Shooting Guard - Kobe, Wade, Gordon. I think Kobe could be the Jason Kidd of this team, only starting and finishing games in limited minutes, but definitely being the leader. Hopefully his knees hold up this season. Wade is another one whose health is never certain. Gordon is an up and comer and I would expect him to make the team. No cuts out of these three. But Steph Curry could bubble up in tryouts and can play both guard positions. James Harden is playing well this year and could earn a tryout.
    Projection: Kobe, Wade, Gordon.

    Small Forward - Melo, Durant, James, Igoudala. I think there's a good chance both KD and Lebron start and we go small and just irritate every team because they cannot match up with us. Melo should make it. He's a top 10 player when he's inspired and played very well in 2008. I'd expect Igoudala to be cut. Rudy Gay could earn a tryout.
    Projection: Durant, James.

    Power Forward - Aldridge, Bosh, Blake, Love, Odom. I like Aldridge and Bosh for jump-shooting ability, Odom for his versatility, Love for his rebounding and passing and Blake because he's an animal. You have to start cutting people for their shortcomings though: I'd cut Aldridge because he does not rebound well or protect the rim. I'd cut Odom because he's not playing well and may be in a post-L.A. funk. Plus the Kardashians might tag along. Ugh. The only other guys who could get a tryout are Al Horford and Javale McGee who I think was the last guy cut in 2010.
    Projection: Bosh, Blake, Love.

    Center - Chandler, Howard. Dwight could be in the midst of some crazy contract stuff and Tyson may not be healthy enough to go. I'd probably bet against Tyson making this team. We can always play Odom at center (see 2010 World Games) and Love can eat space. The only two names I would add to the list for getting possible tryouts are Greg Monroe and Joakim Noah. Short of amazing tryouts by either, we'd be more likely to load up on power forwards than bring in another center.
    Projection: Howard.

    So my starting 5 would be Paul, Kobe, Lebron, KD and Dwight. The rest of the rotation would be Rose, Williams, Wade, Blake and Love. The last two guys who will play limited minutes would be Bosh and Gordon. The last guys not to make the team - Melo and Odom.

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    Thanks for the roster and comments, Super Dave.

    Could you clarify your position on Carmelo Anthony?
    If I read that right, you were very positive about him in the Small Forward section, but then indicated he'd likely not make the team.

    My guess is that he would make the team, though I don't have a firm opinion yet on who doesn't make it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roywhite View Post
    Thanks for the roster and comments, Super Dave.

    Could you clarify your position on Carmelo Anthony?
    If I read that right, you were very positive about him in the Small Forward section, but then indicated he'd likely not make the team.

    My guess is that he would make the team, though I don't have a firm opinion yet on who doesn't make it.
    I think he gets cut, disguised as an injury of course. KD and Lebron can both play the 4 if we go small. If Melo were to make the team, Gordon would be left off and I think we'd rather have Gordon as a shooter than Melo.

    One major caveat, we cannot project who will be healthy in 6 months. If Paul, Kobe or Wade cannot go, Melo may bump up onto the roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superdave View Post


    Center - Chandler, Howard. Dwight could be in the midst of some crazy contract stuff and Tyson may not be healthy enough to go. I'd probably bet against Tyson making this team. We can always play Odom at center (see 2010 World Games) and Love can eat space. The only two names I would add to the list for getting possible tryouts are Greg Monroe and Joakim Noah. Short of amazing tryouts by either, we'd be more likely to load up on power forwards than bring in another center.
    Projection: Howard.

    What about Andrew Bynum in the mix? He is starting to have the kind of season that the Lakers have been hoping he would have. If injuries are no issue throughout the year, I don't see why he couldn't merit consideration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superdave View Post
    I think he gets cut, disguised as an injury of course. KD and Lebron can both play the 4 if we go small. If Melo were to make the team, Gordon would be left off and I think we'd rather have Gordon as a shooter than Melo.

    One major caveat, we cannot project who will be healthy in 6 months. If Paul, Kobe or Wade cannot go, Melo may bump up onto the roster.
    Considering how well Melo plays in international competition I can't possibly see him not making the team. I even think there's an excellent chance that he would start ahead of KD (because KD seems like he would accept coming off the bench better than Melo would).

    The starting five would be Paul, Kobe, James, Melo, and Howard, with Rose, D-Will, Wade, KD, and Bosh filling out the rest of the 10-man rotation (K generally went 9-10 deep at the Olympics).

    K won't take more than 3 bigs, so the last big spot will go to Blake or Love, and I think Gordon will be the 12th man to fill the shooting specialist role.

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    Thanks for starting this, I tried to find an older thread and see if any of our predictions came to fruition, but didn't seem like we had a good set of predictions on this that I could find... My $0.02 below.

    1st of all, the way I had typically broken it out was into 3 groups as opposed to 5 by each "position." As you mention, coach K will want versatility (remember Paul and D-will played together in '08 quite a bit) and so I think of it in these 3 groups: PGs, Wings, and Post Men. The distribution in 08 was

    3 PGs (Kidd, Paul, Williams)
    6 Wings (Kobe, Bron, Melo, Wade, Prince, Redd)
    3 posts (Howard, Bosh, Boozer)

    I'd expect a similar distribution this time around, and I'll use that as context in responding.

    Quote Originally Posted by superdave View Post
    DBR linked to this on the front page.

    Point Guard - Billups, Paul, Rose, Westbrook, Williams.
    Projection: Paul, Rose, Williams.
    Basically, I agree. We took 3 guys here last time, and I think we take 3 again. Rose would seem a mortal lock, same with Paul if he's healthy. Deron and Westbrook will fight it out for a 3rd spot and I like Deron's shooting ability in that fight b/c of zones we'll face and the need to have shooters in the int'l game.

    Projection: Paul, Rose, Williams. (same)

    Quote Originally Posted by superdave View Post
    Shooting Guard
    Projection: Kobe, Wade, Gordon.

    Small Forward - Melo, Durant, James, Igoudala.
    Projection: Durant, James.
    (Perhaps obviously, I'm grouping the 2s & 3s together, and will do so with the 4s & 5s below to arrive at the same distribution I indicated above)

    3 comments:1) Kobe's health is such an X-factor. 2) Tough for me to see Melo NOT making this team. 3) I see 6 guys coming out of this pool, not 5. Instead, I cut someone from the post group below (not Gordon, as you suggest above).

    On Kobe: seems like he's going to play with a hurt wrist all year and will likely need time to heal in the off-season. He also underwent some significant treatments last year in the off-season. Basically, I think there's a real chance he doesn't play, but who the heck knows. He's a trooper, plays with injury, and loves coach K so I could also see him gutting it out.

    On Melo: K loves Melo, in the int'l game especially (not to mention Boeheim is a close friend and top assistant). He's an ideal stretch 4. He started and was the 4th leading scorer on the 08 team. He's also a good shooter, which we'll need.

    No discussion really required on the other guys. Durant, James, & Wade are all locks, assuming they're healthy. So basically I agree with the 5 guys you put out, though I could also easily see Steph making the team over Gordon...will be a tough tryout for them this summer. I think Gordon's size and defense likely give him the edge. And I add Melo.

    Projection: Kobe, Wade, James, Gordon, Durant, Melo.

    Quote Originally Posted by superdave View Post
    Power Forward - Aldridge, Bosh, Blake, Love, Odom.
    Projection: Bosh, Blake, Love.

    Center - Chandler, Howard.
    Projection: Howard.
    Again I group the 4s and 5s. K used Boozer, Bosh and Howard almost exclusively at the Center position during 2008, so thinking of them all in one group probably makes sense.

    This one is simpler for me though: Howard is a lock, and the 2nd best player in the group is Love, imo. I'm biased tho b/c he might be my favorite non-Duke NBA player right now (just love his game) and with his shooting & pick and pop ability he's great for the Int'l game.

    This leaves Chandler, Odom, Bosh, Blake, and Aldridge. I don't think Aldridge makes it, but have no idea who makes it out of the other 4. My guess is Chandler or Blake, but Bosh and Odom are also good choices.

    Projection: Howard, Love, Chandler/Blake

    Quote Originally Posted by superdave View Post
    So my starting 5 would be Paul, Kobe, Lebron, KD and Dwight. The rest of the rotation would be Rose, Williams, Wade, Blake and Love. The last two guys who will play limited minutes would be Bosh and Gordon. The last guys not to make the team - Melo and Odom.
    My starting 5 is the same except swap out Rose for Paul. I think Rose's size and D, important in the physical int'l game with big guards, will give him the edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superdave View Post
    If Melo were to make the team, Gordon would be left off and I think we'd rather have Gordon as a shooter than Melo.
    As I point out in my lengthier post, this isn't true. You have Howard, Bosh, Love, and Blake all making the roster. I only have 3 of them, which is the same distribution as 2008.

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    An interesting thing to watch will be the dynamics of the personalities and egos on the team, even more so this time around. In 2008 we sent mostly our top players. Then in 2010 most of those guys pulled out, so the guys that were left were labeled a B-list team. Yet they played great and several stars emerged - Durant in particular became the alpha dog, and Westbrook and Chandler also went on to have breakout years. So now that they're being put together, will Durant still be the go-to guy, or will Kobe try to maintain control? Does Westbrook get left out completely after playing so well in 2010?

    Man, having Blake Griffin and Dwight Howard on the floor at the same time would be awesome. They'll have to reinforce the rims for all the monster dunks we'd see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkyJ View Post
    As I point out in my lengthier post, this isn't true. You have Howard, Bosh, Love, and Blake all making the roster. I only have 3 of them, which is the same distribution as 2008.
    I think you need 4 true big guys. That is one reason why Odom is so attractive because he can play the 3,4,5 spots. Bosh, Love, Howard and Odom can all play the 4 and 5. Blake may be a top 5 player by the end of this season and could earn a starting spot over Durant or James.

    Back to Melo, I dont think he rebounds or plays enough defense. And he's just not necessary with Lebron and KD. I do like him though and think he makes it if someone else stays home injured or opts out. But you can only take 12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UrinalCake View Post
    An interesting thing to watch will be the dynamics of the personalities and egos on the team, even more so this time around. In 2008 we sent mostly our top players. Then in 2010 most of those guys pulled out, so the guys that were left were labeled a B-list team. Yet they played great and several stars emerged - Durant in particular became the alpha dog, and Westbrook and Chandler also went on to have breakout years. So now that they're being put together, will Durant still be the go-to guy, or will Kobe try to maintain control? Does Westbrook get left out completely after playing so well in 2010?

    Man, having Blake Griffin and Dwight Howard on the floor at the same time would be awesome. They'll have to reinforce the rims for all the monster dunks we'd see.
    I think it was more of coach K's and the orginizations intentions to bring the "B-list" team in 2010 than it was players pulling out. Mainly to get a feel for the younger up and coming players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichabod Drain View Post
    I think it was more of coach K's and the orginizations intentions to bring the "B-list" team in 2010 than it was players pulling out. Mainly to get a feel for the younger up and coming players.
    Also, some of those guys were on Free Agency: World Tour of Asshattery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superdave View Post
    I think you need 4 true big guys. That is one reason why Odom is so attractive because he can play the 3,4,5 spots. Bosh, Love, Howard and Odom can all play the 4 and 5. Blake may be a top 5 player by the end of this season and could earn a starting spot over Durant or James.

    Back to Melo, I dont think he rebounds or plays enough defense. And he's just not necessary with Lebron and KD. I do like him though and think he makes it if someone else stays home injured or opts out. But you can only take 12.
    In international competition, K tends to play lots of guys "up" one position (e.g. Billups/D-Will at the 2, LBJ/Melo at the 4, Bosh/Odom at the 5). And SilkyJ is right -- K doesn't take more than 3 bigs. I've watched every Team USA game from 2006-2010 and I don't think I remember any instance where K used two true bigs on the floor at the same time. Howard, Love, and Bosh wouldn't get any time at the 4 if K continues his established style of play (Odom might, but I think he's a long shot to make the team).

    Melo is devastating in the international game. His role is to put the ball in the hoop and he does it with outstanding efficiency. I think any defensive/rebounding shortcomings (which weren't noticeable at all in Beijing with all the other talent around him) don't really matter.

    If Blake makes the team, it would be as the third big (i.e. 11th/12th man). The 5's role is to defend and rebound, and I think he's a little too small and not a good enough defender to anchor the team as a 5. Remember, Bosh bulked up a lot over the summer because Spoelstra wants him to get significant minutes at the 5 for the Heat. That, plus his status as an '08 member, would push him ahead of all other bigs besides Howard.

    There's also a level of politics that will play a role in deciding the roster and playing time. I think the 2008 team members will have preference over anyone else besides maybe KD/Rose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wk2109 View Post
    In international competition, K tends to play lots of guys "up" one position (e.g. Billups/D-Will at the 2, LBJ/Melo at the 4, Bosh/Odom at the 5). And SilkyJ is right -- K doesn't take more than 3 bigs. I've watched every Team USA game from 2006-2010 and I don't think I remember any instance where K used two true bigs on the floor at the same time. Howard, Love, and Bosh wouldn't get any time at the 4 if K continues his established style of play (Odom might, but I think he's a long shot to make the team).

    Melo is devastating in the international game. His role is to put the ball in the hoop and he does it with outstanding efficiency. I think any defensive/rebounding shortcomings (which weren't noticeable at all in Beijing with all the other talent around him) don't really matter.

    If Blake makes the team, it would be as the third big (i.e. 11th/12th man). The 5's role is to defend and rebound, and I think he's a little too small and not a good enough defender to anchor the team as a 5. Remember, Bosh bulked up a lot over the summer because Spoelstra wants him to get significant minutes at the 5 for the Heat. That, plus his status as an '08 member, would push him ahead of all other bigs besides Howard.

    There's also a level of politics that will play a role in deciding the roster and playing time. I think the 2008 team members will have preference over anyone else besides maybe KD/Rose.
    Blake is averaging 23.7 and 10.6. Love is averaging 23.6 and 14.7. Bosh is averaging 19.7 and 7.8. Those guys are already better than Bosh. Bosh has a nice jumper which is an advantage over Blake. But Blake and Love very well may finish the season in the top 6-7 players in the league. That kind of momentum gives them an advantage I think.

    Someone gets left off. We know that. It just depends who and why - tired legs, weak knees, uninspired tryout, unresolved NBA contract issues, injury during tryouts. All that is impossible to predict 7 months out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wk2109 View Post
    There's also a level of politics that will play a role in deciding the roster and playing time. I think the 2008 team members will have preference over anyone else besides maybe KD/Rose.
    Why would the 2010 not have an advantage over the 2008 team? The 2008 team all opted out. Many had good reasons, but their level of commitment was not sufficient for them to join the team. Is that not a problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superdave View Post
    I think you need 4 true big guys.
    Well, we didn't have 4 in 2008 and we didn't have 4 in 2010. We had 3 in both cases. In 2008 is was Boozer, Bosh, Howard, and in 2010 it was Odom, Chandler and Love.

    Quote Originally Posted by superdave View Post
    That is one reason why Odom is so attractive because he can play the 3,4,5 spots. Bosh, Love, Howard and Odom can all play the 4 and 5.
    Odom's versatility is largely irrelevant b/c he will never find himself playing the 3, or even the 4. We're just too stacked on the wing. In 2010, he played basically all of his minutes at the 5. ALL of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by superdave View Post
    Blake may be a top 5 player by the end of this season and could earn a starting spot over Durant or James.
    Blake is so good and has so much upside right now that its hard to know where he'll end up, but displacing Durant or James?! Methinks not.

    I agree with WK, above. Blake will be used as a post player and he's a bit undersized so not sure if he makes it. I'm honestly not sure who makes it into that 2nd 3rd post player spot, but I think Love would be a great asset to this team and I like Chandler as well for his D, rebounding and general athleticism.
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