Now, I don't doubt that Jabari is a heck of a good ballplayer and I am not saying that K way lying or exaggerating when he made those comparisons to the kid. But, I doubt anyone pitches an elite prospect by saying, "Come here and you could be another Daniel Ewing or Chris Carrawell." Dan and Chris both had fine careers and I am huge fans of what they did here, but when you are pitching a top tier recruit you are talking about making them into an NBA star and dangling images of lottery pick/max contract money in front of them.
So, just sayin', maybe we take the Grant and Kobe comparisons with a tiny grain of salt.
--Jason "then again, from what I have heard/read/youtube'd comparing Jabari to future NBA HOFamers is not at all unreasonable" Evans
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To insert a modicum of thread relevance, I hope and believe that Jabari Parker could be a much better defender than either of them.
Bird did make some memorable plays on the defensive end but I don't see any reason why Barnes couldn't end up being better.
Another reason I think Jabari is such an important recruit is for the marketing potential he could swing for Duke Basketball. I don't think it's any stretch to say that he could be the most marketable Duke player Since Grant Hill. Everything you hear about him screams "likeable." He's humble, he's a hard worker, a good student, a devout mormon, and generally a fun loving kid who doesn't particularly care for the spotlight. Oh, and he's also REALLY good at basketball. He's like a mormon Derrick Rose.
I mean, don't get me wrong, my favorite player in the NBA is Kyrie Irving, and I don't think there's a more likable player in the league right now, but Kyrie only only played 11 games for us, and I'm not 100% sure that Duke is the first thing people think when they see Kyrie. Furthermore, Kyrie did not win a national championship or participate in the ACC tournament for us.
My point is, if Jabari Parker comes to Duke, has a short, but visibile career here and wins a NC, and then goes on the dominate the NBA for 13+ years, I just think it would even further secure our brand as the premier basketball program in the country. I mean, how many signature guys do we have that are/were stars at the next level and most people, regardless of their affiliations can't help but like? I think the list is pretty short: Grant Hill, Kyrie Irving. That's about it really. I mean, I think Nolan Smith could be in this category, but he just doesn't project to be an All-Star at the next level. UNC will always have Jordan, and probably about 5 or 6 other guys in that category. Heck, MJ's probably the ONLY reason they were able to steal Barnes away from us. This make wonder every day what it would have been like if we had gotten Kobe for a year.
I realize Duke will probably be fine either way, but having a potential future NBA hall of famer (and I know this is unbelievably premature, but it's all speculation anyways) play a year at Duke is only going to help us immensely in the future, especially after Coach K retires. All the kids who watch Jabari in the NBA will know in the back of their mind that he's a Duke product, and it may swing a couple of elite recruits our way. I'm thinking long term here.
Last edited by licc85; 08-03-2012 at 11:23 PM.
Here's the thing: When you have an elite talent down low, you may not win a championship - kind of a high bar - but you're always legitimately in the mix. Those teams with Brand, I mean, both of them could have - should have! - won. (I still contend that if he hadn't broken his foot in '98, they win that year.) Boozer was a key part of one title team, and they had a legit shot the year after when he led the country in fg%, but they suffered a massive upset. Duke had a very real shot to win a title at least 2 of Sheldon's seasons at Duke - his foul troubles after Okafor picked up his 2 still haunt me. And Duke made the move from good but not great, to championship caliber when Zoubek made the leap himself.
I'm not saying Randle is unequivocally on that level with all those guys. But he's good, and on the off chance he fills in about 20 pounds or so and becomes that player, Duke doesn't have that element going forward. It'd be nice to, is all.
Sorry to do all this in a Jabari thread, by the way. I'd totally take that guy too.
Also, I have to ask: why'd you pick 13+ instead of some other number?
That aside, I'm not sure I agree with your logic. Grant Hill played ten years after Jordan, was an All Star and possible potential NBA hall of famer, and is even still in the League, and I don't feel like we have a current recruiting bump because of him.
Jordan still helps UNC because many consider him the best player ever and he developed a very strong brand more or less apart from his basketball greatness. The other greats from Jordan's era, Bird (Indiana State), Magic (Michigan State), Olajuwon (Houston), Barkley (Auburn), etc., don't seem to be drawing high school studs to their teams after all these years. I don't think it's reasonable to think that Jabari Parker will be so good that 30 years from now kids will want to go to Duke to "be like Jabari."
Last edited by licc85; 08-04-2012 at 12:00 PM.
I think Barnes has a chance to be a better man to man defender than Bird if he commits to it. But I can't see him ever being as good off the ball or on the boards.
He is very similar to Grant in many respects. On the court, Jabari is extremely versatile, fluid and unselfish. He sometimes needs prodding to take games over. He is not flashy but will periodically make breathtaking plays. Jabari is also very bright, personable and articulate. Sound familiar? I think there was a little more to K invokng Grant with Jabari than with other recruits, even one as talented as, say, Rodney Hood.
I agree that calling him the best HS player since LeBron was likely an exaggeration. But he is a great player and great kid who would be a huge asset for Duke no matter how long he stays, and no matter who else is on the roster with him.
Honestly I think he has some Carmelo in his game, but it's very hard to not think of Grant when you watch him play. Tremendous kid and whichever program is fortunate enough to add him will add a new "face of the program" even though he's likely to be there only a year.
Wikipedia entry, I look forward to seeing what he has in store for us this season. I'm completely and totally with you in terms of not being rewarded as much as he should have been by our guards after busting his tail to get position, and I'm hoping things will be a little better for him next year -- if Cook ascends, it'll help the cause. I still remember how amazing he looked before Irving went down, and that was as a sophomore. And as you said, he had some big spots last year where he was a game-changer.
Please note, by the way, you're dead-on to correct me, but though I'm not sure how I was coming off with this, I like Mason a great deal. (If for nothing more than he once complimented my sneakers!) And he's a darn good player; you don't basically average a double double if you're not. I just think at 11 points per game, he has a little ways to go before being called "elite," though it's not to say he can't get there. He had a stretch last year where his scoring dropped completely off the table, though like we said, that's not all completely on him and he was a solid rebounder throughout. He also had a fairly decent streak of double-doubles before that. If we can get him to where he's a consistent scoring presence, I see no reason, with his talent, that he shouldn't at least approach the numbers Robinson had last year for Kansas. Then we're talking about a team with an absolutely legit shot at a Final Four, followed by a well-deserved lottery pick for Mason. But as Jason correctly assessed, the physical tools and precedent are there.
Edit: Uh... here's a picture I took of Jabari Parker. (In a desperate attempt to keep myself on topic!)
Last edited by Starter; 08-04-2012 at 04:35 PM.
Multiple sources saying Jabari has narrowed his list to Mich St, Duke, and Kansas...with it really being a two team race and Kansas a distant third...
It's a tricky situation, because there really aren't any immediate-impact centers in the 2013 class. Of the three we bigs we're pursuing, Nichols is probably the closest, and he's more of a PF than a C. Lee and Damian Jones are nice prospects, I highly doubt any would be better than Marshall in his third year, but hopefully one could contribute backup minutes... but then, would they really jump SR Hairston or SO Jefferson as the 4th big in the rotation anyway?
I'd be curious what situation K is selling to Randle.
Last edited by licc85; 08-05-2012 at 11:22 PM.
I don't think it's even worth speculating what would happen if we land both of them, because the chance is so slim. I think the question is whether Cook-Sulaimon-Hood-Murphy-Randle is better than Cook-Sulaimon/Hood/Murphy-Randle-Marshall (with one of the three wings as a "6th starter", and whether it's worth playing two guys out of position in positions they do not want to play (Murphy at 4, Randle at 5).
But all that's really putting the cart before the horse - IMO, we'd have a hard time winning the Randle sweepstakes if our pitch to him is coming in and playing center. However, I doubt Coach K would knowingly lie to him, thus my curiosity about what the pitch is and my assumption that Marshall would be starting in the middle.
Also, when Randle would (hypothetically, of course) play C for Duke, he wouldn't have to play back-to-the-basket on offense. Kyle didn't play traditional C on offense in 2008; he just had to defend the other team's C. My guess is Randle might not have that big an issue with that sort of arrangement (and same for Alex at PF), but obviously I don't know for sure.