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    Quote Originally Posted by OldPhiKap View Post
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    (Don't ask me why)

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    I'm just guessing, but that was probably created by an Ohio State fan in reference to Jim Tressel. It's similar to the theory that Superman wears Austin Rivers pajamas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77devil View Post
    It's getting very weird out there. Too bad HST isn't around for some perspective.
    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

    -- Dr. HST

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldPhiKap View Post
    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
    It's looking even weirder. Apparently, Gingrich's SuperPAC sugar daddy is planning to dump another 10 million into Newt's campaign.

    Wheeeeee!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alteran View Post
    It's looking even weirder. Apparently, Gingrich's SuperPAC sugar daddy is planning to dump another 10 million into Newt's campaign.

    Wheeeeee!
    The most interesting part of the story is that Seldon Adelson is not really doing this because he thinks Newt can win. He is doing it because he wants Newt to continue to divide the conservative vote which is good for Romney. Essentially, he is keeping Newt alive so Newt can work against Santorum.

    Simply crazy!

    --Jason "I was not aware that Newt liked Romney more than Santorum. It may be that Newt's SuperPAC and Newt himself are not as closely aligned as we might think" Evans
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    --Jason "I was not aware that Newt liked Romney more than Santorum. It may be that Newt's SuperPAC and Newt himself are not as closely aligned as we might think" Evans
    I think this is true -- we have a discussion somewhere upstream about the attempts by Newt to forge a nonaggression treaty with Santrorum of sorts. Newt had plenty of nice things to say about Rick, and has trashed Mitt ever since the Iowa onslaught of negative adds.

    Politics makes strange bedfellows. Hey, someone aughta register that saying.

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    Meanwhile, on the "problem with counting" front . . . .

    Maine did not count Washington County in its caucus because of a snowstorm closure. The county has decided to go ahead and do it today, even though the state says it won't count them. Nate Silver reports heavy turn-out. With about a 200 vote deficit between Paul and Romney, my guess is the "anyone but Mitts" will be Paul-ites today and come on out.

    What a fiasco the caucus counting has been this cycle.

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    Ron Paul won the presidential nominee preference poll in Hancock with 41 votes. Romney 16; Santorum 17; Gingrich 9 per recent tweet. Interesting to see if Paul can steal more thunder from Mitt.

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    Well that was rather anticlimactic: "Paul received 163 votes in Saturday's Washington County caucus, where Republicans from more than two dozen towns gathered to cast their votes. Romney received 80 votes. Rick Santorum got 57 votes and Newt Gingrich received four votes. "

    http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...n-maine-caucus

    Two votes went to "others." So 306 votes total...out of 7000 registered Republicans and 8200 registered Independents in the county.
    Last edited by El_Diablo; 02-18-2012 at 09:15 PM.

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    Rick Santorum had some interesting quotes today.

    He said, in a negative fashion, that Obama based his politics on political science. He expressed disappointment that Obama didn't base his politics on the Bible, although he did say it is possible Obama based his politics on some other theology. I took this as a veiled reference (no pun intended) to President Obama possibly being Muslim.

    I do wonder if Santorum truly believes he can win the nomination? Because quotes like this may be "red meat" to a segment of the Republican base, but they seem to give the opposition an awful lot of ammunition to use with independents. How does one balance having to win a nomination within ones own party with having to win a general? Or do voters have a "short" enough memory that this sort of quote won't be remembered if he wins the nomination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Ash View Post
    How does one balance having to win a nomination within ones own party with having to win a general? Or do voters have a "short" enough memory that this sort of quote won't be remembered if he wins the nomination?
    You gotta be in it to win it, I guess.

    I don't think Santorum plans on too much of a pivot to the middle if he wins on social issues. He is a culture warrior and makes no apologies about it, best I can tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by throatybeard View Post
    I like the President's chances w/r/t the general economic indicators, but for one problem.

    Oil is at $102, going up, and this Iran-Israel thing is starting to look unstable. People in this country lose any ability to reason when unleaded approaches or exceeds $4/gallon, really much over $3.50. I've already seen a bunch of people on Facebook blaming Obama for "high gas" (as if he personally had anything to do with this). It goes both ways too, politically. In 2004 NPR did one of their annoyingly folksy segments where they talk to people in diners and they over-mike the clinking silverware and dishes. Some guy in Florida was saying he was voting against Bush for a single reason, because gasoline was higher in 2004 than it was in 2000. And this is when Americans thought $1.75 was high. And I heard more of that around Durham.

    $4 gasoline is probably coming back this summer. The question, in my mind, for Obama is whether it's falling well off that figure by the autumn or not. Or whether demand destruction might ease prices a bit. If people are paying $4.25 for gasoline around Halloween, there will be an tsunami of low-information voters cascading to vote against the incumbent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by throatybeard View Post
    I like the President's chances w/r/t the general economic indicators, but for one problem.

    Oil is at $102, going up, and this Iran-Israel thing is starting to look unstable. People in this country lose any ability to reason when unleaded approaches or exceeds $4/gallon, really much over $3.50. I've already seen a bunch of people on Facebook blaming Obama for "high gas" (as if he personally had anything to do with this). It goes both ways too, politically. In 2004 NPR did one of their annoyingly folksy segments where they talk to people in diners and they over-mike the clinking silverware and dishes. Some guy in Florida was saying he was voting against Bush for a single reason, because gasoline was higher in 2004 than it was in 2000. And this is when Americans thought $1.75 was high. And I heard more of that around Durham.

    $4 gasoline is probably coming back this summer. The question, in my mind, for Obama is whether it's falling well off that figure by the autumn or not. Or whether demand destruction might ease prices a bit. If people are paying $4.25 for gasoline around Halloween, there will be an tsunami of low-information voters cascading to vote against the incumbent.
    Quote Originally Posted by throatybeard View Post
    Who was it? Was it Chicken Little that hollered that the sky was falling? Maybe so, but there is evidence that politicians are more prone to shout such things as falling skies and soaring gas prices whenever they can put the blame on whoever they oppose in politics.

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    Recognizing the incredible flux of the race, Nate Silver has Santorum winning Michigan, Ohio and Oklanhoma (with Mitt winning Arizona and Newt winning Georgia). That would cause a massive and collective freak-out amongst the Republican establishment.

    Virginia will essentially be a referendum on Mitt (no offense to Ron Paul).

    If Mitt can't win in the Midwest or South, he would be an odd Republican candidate indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by throatybeard View Post
    I like the President's chances w/r/t the general economic indicators, but for one problem.

    Oil is at $102, going up, and this Iran-Israel thing is starting to look unstable. People in this country lose any ability to reason when unleaded approaches or exceeds $4/gallon, really much over $3.50. I've already seen a bunch of people on Facebook blaming Obama for "high gas" (as if he personally had anything to do with this). It goes both ways too, politically. In 2004 NPR did one of their annoyingly folksy segments where they talk to people in diners and they over-mike the clinking silverware and dishes. Some guy in Florida was saying he was voting against Bush for a single reason, because gasoline was higher in 2004 than it was in 2000. And this is when Americans thought $1.75 was high. And I heard more of that around Durham.

    $4 gasoline is probably coming back this summer. The question, in my mind, for Obama is whether it's falling well off that figure by the autumn or not. Or whether demand destruction might ease prices a bit. If people are paying $4.25 for gasoline around Halloween, there will be an tsunami of low-information voters cascading to vote against the incumbent.
    Quote Originally Posted by throatybeard View Post
    It will be interesting, to me at least, to watch whether the GOP can be successful on the gas price issue. When there are complaints that gas prices were less than $2 a gallon when President Obama was inaugurated, it is rarely noted that the world economy had fallen off the earth. Pick your poison. On the other hand, I think the Chief Executive has some influence on perceptions in the oil markets and the trend of domestic supply. To that extent the President has some impact on price trends for crude and refined products. There are things that the administration could have done, but chose not to, to increase domestic supply and create a favorable perception in world oil markets that would have driven down the speculative premium in the price of a barrel of oil.

    While I have my opinion, I'm not making a value judgement either way. In the realm of the political process though, I suspect that the issues above are too nuanced for the average voter. It will simply be voting one's pocket book. Thus, the GOP effort's to attach the issue to the President will depend of whether there is $4 gas heading into the election, fair or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by throatybeard View Post
    Nate Silver is slightly skeptical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Ash View Post
    Rick Santorum had some interesting quotes today.

    He said, in a negative fashion, that Obama based his politics on political science. He expressed disappointment that Obama didn't base his politics on the Bible, although he did say it is possible Obama based his politics on some other theology. I took this as a veiled reference (no pun intended) to President Obama possibly being Muslim.
    I think you linked the wrong article for what you're commenting on, but even so, I see Santorum's remark as a way to note a distinction between the more liberal and conservative elements of Christianity (not synonymous with politics), rather than anything having to do with Islam. And thus Obama would be in the former category.

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    10 point national lead for Santorum. This has been a most bizarre race.
    Santorum had the backing of 36% of registered Republicans nationwide, while 26% supported Romney. Numbers from Sunday showed a slightly smaller lead for Santorum over Romney, 36% to 28%
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ds-nationwide/
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    I think I can say in a nonpartisan way that Newt is basically lying here. Unless he's toying with price controls.

    http://www.kmov.com/news/politics/Gi...139745173.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duvall View Post
    That's all well and good, but I don't think we can learn much in comparing now to times pre- domestic peak oil (1970-71). Indeed, I don't think 1980 is particularly instructive now that we're either just past or just coming up on global peak oil, depending who you believe. Silver seems to neglect to factor in that the situation now is different from 1980, or 1948. Heck, in 1948, the expansive suburban buildout was only beginning. The average person was massively less dependent on the automobile then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by throatybeard View Post
    I think I can say in a nonpartisan way that Newt is basically lying here. Unless he's toying with price controls.

    http://www.kmov.com/news/politics/Gi...139745173.html
    Bachmann said she'd deliver the same thing. It didn't help her out too much, either.
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