After averaging about 14 mins in the last 8 games and playing decently, Nolan got the start tonight and 26 minutes as Raymond Felton was with his family. He played pretty poorly, shooting 1-9 from the field with 3 assists to one turnover, a couple rebounds, and one steal. He did shoot 1-2 from 3-point land but 0-7 on 2-pointers. His backup, Johnny Flynn, had 10 points on 3-6 shooting and had 5 assists to 1 turnover in 25 minutes.
I hope Nolan can continue to get more time, and it must be noted that he was going up against Russell Westbrook, who is by no means an easy match up. Unfortunately, Westbrook had a very good game, so this game can't contribute to Nolan's chances of getting more minutes. Good luck Nolan!
in March averaged 15.3 points, shooting 56.9 percent from the floor, 54.4 from 3, and 89.3 from the line, with almost a 3-1 assist to turnover ratio. Great to see him playing his best ball since before his injury.
Last night's Miami v OKC game, a potential NBA Finals preview, was awesome! It had an NBA Finals level of intensity and huge play after huge play down the stretch. Shane was in the thick of it all, nailing several key second half 3s and playing all the crunch time minutes. It is amazing how his move to the Heat makes me root for the Heat...because last year I HATED the Heat. All hail 31!
i am pulling for the heat.....last night's game showed everyone what a playoff series between these two teams would be like...
hope they both have good cut men...
"Either we're going down, or they are....... Kirk out!"
just saw the box score on the magic's game and it had duhon listed as DNP SUSPENDED BY TEAM...
did i miss something?
"Either we're going down, or they are....... Kirk out!"
I had some time on my hands tonight. So, i went back to wikipedia and looked up some stats about Duke big men drafted in first rounds since 2006.
Here is what I came up with:
Duke UNC UK UCONN UCLA Kansas OSU 2006 1 0 0 3 0 0 0 2007 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 2008 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 2009 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 2010 0 1 3 0 0 1 0 2011 0 0 1 0 0 2 0 TOTAL 1 3 4 4 1 5 3
I assumed the following while building this table:
1. Include candidates drafted in first round
2. Do not include second round + undrafted candidates
3. Include drafts from 2006 onwards
4. Compare top basketball programs in terms of popularity
5. Only consider players drafted for PF and C positions
1. Duke laid big solid eggs in the last 5 draft classes
2. Duke and UCLA has same number of draft picks except Kevin Love is famous among high school kids and Shelden Williams not as much
3. More consistent programs are UNC, OSU and Kansas each with atleast 1 draft pick without a gap of more than 2 years
4. UK is producing draft picks only after Coach Cal took over
Enjoy and feel free to make more conclusions!!
But lets focus simply on your suspiciously selective time frame and let us examine the quality of those big men being drafted. Take UConn first in 2006 -- only two of those players were PF-C in fact, the third I assume you meant Marcus Williams who is a SF and cannot be included. Then you had Hasheem Thabeet in 2009. Well of those ONLY Josh Boone has had any real career in the NBA and is not currently playing -- an inferior one to Shelden Williams to be sure.
Now lets take Kansas...during that time frame you have Julian Wright, Sasha Kaun, Cole Aldrich, and the Morris twins. Only Cole and the Morris twins are in the NBA, and only Markieff is having any impact whatsoever. The others struggle to average 2pts a game.
Now, OSU: Greg Oden, BJ Mullens, and Kosta Koufos. Well, we know how that Greg Oden pick turned out, BJ Mullins is as bad as Cole Aldrich, but Koufos has been a servicable roleplayer.
UNC: Brandan Wright, Tyler Hansbrough, Ed Davis. Wright has been a huge dissapointment...a role player having a "breakout" year with the Mavs at 6.7ppg. Ed Davis has only had a couple of years, but so far has been no more impressive than Shelden in his first two seasons. Hansbrough is a solid player, a good bench player, better than Shelden, yes.
Obviously no team has put a PF/C into the league better than UCLA. Love has been tremendous. But it is just one player...
Now to Kentucky! Patrick Patterson, Demarcus Cousins, Daniel Orton, and Enes Kanter. I don't know how you can include Kanter, as he was a Euro professional who was ruled ineligible to play college BB. That is ridiculous to include him. Cousins is very good, but also a headcase causing all sorts of problems for Sacremento. Orton has dont nothing, but Patterson looks to be a good player. If you insist on including Kanter, he projecting to be a role player -- in his first yr averaging 4ppg 4rpg.
So, Duke who has laid all those eggs...yet when you go back and see who is still in the league...only 5 players can be said to be better than our lone pick Shelden Williams. Love, Hansbrough, Markieff Morris, Demarcus Cousins, and with all probability Patrick Patterson. That's 5/20 for a 25% success rate among those schools for putting players in the league better than Shelden Williams. When you expand the timeframe, Duke gets as good as any school for big men, save maybe Georgetown.
I think different coaches definitely have different strengths and weaknesses. There is no doubt about that. Some coaches have signatures in terms of style of play (run and gun for Roy, man to man defense and motion offense for K). It is very possible that in the case of Manning when he was at Kansas he helped turn otherwise non-NBA bigs into guys who could get a cup of coffee in the league. However, when it comes to the long term development of star big guys, I really don't think any one school can really claim to be the king of the court. In fact, despite the reputation places like UCONN and Kansas have gotten with big guys recently, they really haven't had anyone make their mark in the league since 2006.
On the flip side, Kentucky, UCLA, and Ohio State have had a lot of first round picks, but their draft stock remained relatively steady during their time in school. Cousins and Oden would have been top 5 picks out of high school and were top 5 picks after their one year on campus; despite his high school ranking, I remember Love being projected as a mid-to-late lottery pick before arriving at UCLA.
Finally, you've got Duke and UNC. First, I would expand your parameters to include McRoberts and/or Boozer. I'd have a hard time arguing that either Duke or UNC have significantly improved a player's draft position during their time on campus, and have occasionally seen their stocks drop (cough, McRoberts, cough). However, more frequently than not, they have outperformed their draft position and are on pace to have lengthy NBA careers (except for Big, Fat, Sean May). Hansbrough played himself into the the lottery and is looking like he'll have a lengthy career as a role player and Ed Davis' stock dropped somewhat by staying at UNC, but he looks to be in the league for a while. As for Duke's bigs, McRoberts and Boozer were both second round picks (McRoberts slipping from his freshman projection and Boozer maintaining his stock, while being underrated relative to his college accomplishments) who have had or are on pace to have longer careers and make significantly more money than most second round picks. In both cases, they've exceeded their draft day expectations. Maybe you'd counter to say that Shelden hasn't lived up to the 5th overall pick, but you have to remember that the 2005 draft was one of the weakest drafts ever and he's arguably outperformed every PF or C drafted behind him except for Paul Millsap.
So if you're going to use first round draft picks as a metric, then I'd have to concede Duke hasn't done as well as other big-time programs. However, I'd counter that Duke has done a better job than most in helping its bigs develop a foundation to go on to lengthy NBA careers where their lower draft picks (and corresponding rookie deals) are more than made up for by their second and third contracts.
Take the top 15 rebounders in the league:
4 are foreign players
4 came straight from HS
The only school with more than 1 player is FL.
Big men are born, not made. I doubt there is any correlation between college coaching and successful NBA big men...