Seriously, though, I agree with Kedsy that the differences between basketball positions are smaller than the differences between engineering disciplines (which would be more like comparing different sports, IMO).
My rub is that two outstanding young men who were on the staff had to make room for Capel. One had to be designated in a new position no longer on the team. And wasn't it Capel that had to go to summer school and caused his teammates to give up a trip to Australia when he was playing? Maybe not but I think so. So let's not be so fast to give him credit when Wojo is doing all the work.
Last edited by Devilsfan; 11-25-2011 at 06:53 PM.
Of course, following the rest of your point regarding making room for Jeff, one would assume that if K was somehow unhappy with Wojo he would have made room a different way.
To be clear: K is not infallable. But he is entitled to the staff he wants, and I for one cannot see him having anyone on there that he does not have supreme confidence in. K can pick from hundreds upon hundreds of folks who would love to come assist here. And who would do a damn good job. K has the staff he has because he WANTS the staff he has.
Seriously, given the results we have obtained, how is anyone really questioning the quality or composition of the coaching staff?!? REALLY?!?
Edit to add: this is not intended to target the quoted poster, I just am beyond fed up with this. If anyone doesn't like K's staff, call for the administration to fire K. Otherwise, let the man do his job.
Eat Mor Jonny.
Maybe I missed some, but you guys must be seeing "post" play I'm not seeing. In the Kansas game I only recall 1 time that Kelly took an entry pass down low with his back to the basket and made a move to score. (It was a nice move too).
Mason had about 5, back to the basket, in the paint, moves to the rim to attempt to score the entire game. He looked good on a couple of them.
Somebody feel free to check it out on tape, and correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I recall.
Miles..where was he against Kansas as an offensive threat in the paint? He's a senior with size and athleticism, he should at bare minimum have a catch and jump hook.
Mason and Ryan were active in the post, but it was off plays that had broken down from guard penetration, or offensive rebounding.
And they played well, I'm not trying to say they didn't.
But, there has been very little "traditional" post play from the bigs.... the, "I'm holding this spot, give me the ball, I'm gonna turn on you, put a move on you, and score or you're gonna foul me"... plays from them.
Mason is strong enough and quick enough to get the prime real estate down low almost anytime he wants, and he is athletic enough to get a quality look too.
Kelly has enough strength now and a nice, soft shooting touch.
I can only surmise that traditional post play from a big is just not how coach K wants to play. And the winningest coach of all time can play his players any way he wants to.
"An angry man catches no fish"-Zen proverb.
As for Capel, I'm not sure of his role. I was unable to catch a practice this year. Last year at practice, when they broke into groups, Collins and Carrawell worked with the guards, and Wojo and Nate was on the other end working with the Bigs. Carrawell is gone, so Capel plugged the hole there. The question is, did Capel take Carrawell's spot, or did K move Nate to the guards and put Capel with Wojo coaching the Bigs. It's possible for sure.
Either way, like others, the thing that irked me about the OP, was the fact that he directly credit's the improvement to Capel and does not even mention Wojo. Ironically, that feeds the "perception" that Wojo is not a good big man coach.
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Belmont's frontline was 6'10 250, and 6'9 235. Davidson's: 6'10 235, 6'10 237.
In the Kansas game, all 3 guys scored on traditional post moves. In the first half, Mile's sealed his man, called for the ball, caught it, pivoted and threw down a hard one-hand dunk. In other games, he has used a right-hand jumphook off glass from that position if the defender slid down to cut off a direct lane to a dunk.
K has made it a point to get the ball in the paint while still allowing the guards to get their shots. It is not a team where the ball needs to go into the post every half-court possession, but it will go into the post a lot more than the last few years. However, if the defense is making life difficult on the perimeter, K will instruct them to feed the bigs. That happened in the 2nd half of the Davidson game. Guards were struggling and we fed the post time and time again and that is when the game turned. Mason was the recipient of most of those touches.
This is the most balanced team that Duke has had in several years in terms of scoring. I think most of us are quite happy with our bigs and their ability to score the ball in the paint. All 3 can score posting up in a traditional fashion, as well as turning and facing up. Josh can also score facing up as well, though it looks like he will not get much PT unless foul trouble comes into play. He does have a nice jumper though.
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Towards the end of the game Kansas was actually double-teaming Mason as soon as he got the ball, which I've never seen before. So at least they were convinced he's capable of doing some damage inside. As for Miles, I agree he's been pretty quiet for a few games now. Hopefully he'll pick it up.
Sometimes people just see what they want to see. I truly mean no disrespect to Wheat, who is a good poster. But if someone can seriously have watched the Kansas game and not see post play from Duke's bigs, you just have to "lol" and move on.
Nothing more needs to be said.
I don't think I was ever too critical of Sheldon. I did think Boozer could have been better inside wwith his skills.
I think if you look back you'll find I was pretty complimentary of Zoubek his Sr. year.
"An angry man catches no fish"-Zen proverb.
RK was facilitating the point Forward position quite nicely... Scoring, dishing, kicking out...
Mason was learning how to be dominant and really contest -good to see..
Miles - who do you bench in THAT game to get him some reps? NOT RK or Mason... We've got work to do, but its better than I could have hoped for so far in this young season..
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Just telling it like it is tar heel fans see it, guys. No need to shoot point in correcting the messenger homer.
Thanks for fixing that post Dukeface. 'just beat me to it!
I swear, on first reading Wheat's description of Duke big-man post play this season I had to do a double-take, checking to see if I had maybe logged onto Inside Carolina by mistake. I swear, if I didn't know better you'd think Wheat was a Kerlina fan spinning a pre-determined story, facts be damned... Oh, wait...
I watched all three Maui games and can remember dozens of instances of Duke bigs being fed within 8 feet of the basket, and then making "post moves" to complete a shot. (I suspect Wheat may split hairs and defend his IC spin of those games by parsing words and (very) tightly defining how he means the term "feeding the post." I define it as "any pass from a guard into the interior - say within about 8 feet of the basket - where a Duke big then has to make an interior move to complete a shot." That includes penetrations designed to dish to bigs in a good spot where they can make an interior move and complete the play/shot/basket.) I can fairly easily recall more than a couple dozen post-feed plays over those three games.
Clearly Duke is feeding the post much more regularly this season than the past couple of excellent-guard-dominated squads did. Mason's and Ryan's strong emergence this season is a big cause (or is it "effect"?) of that. I like this year's balance, as opponents will have to "pick their poison," and the strength of one really enhances the strength of the other. (But I agree with the other poster that, when an opponent is foolish enough to double-up inside on Mason - understandable as it may be given his strength there - we don't want to just keep pounding it inside to him relentlessly while an opportunity has been opened to our guards or other bigs.)
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I think most of us on this board would agree that Seth starting is what's best for this team, and that is why K is starting him. So would it be a stretch to think that maybe, just maybe, moving CC and Nate James to different roles in order to bring Capel back is best for the team? I trust that K made the right call. He is only the greatest coach of all time!!
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Kelly didn't take that many touches down low in that particular game, but he has been taking quite a few down low. Mason has also been *extremely* active in demanding the ball down low. EXTREMELY active. And he was dominant enough against KU that they had to double team him every time he touched it down low late in the 2nd half.
Miles hasn't been great, but Mason has been a force down low and provided a real presence. SCACChoops.com has stats on this you can check out. I'll do it for you once I get back from shooting sporting clays--Status Check says it 65 in Philly and time to get outside before the game.
Check out play #3
I also love at the end how Kelly says that the reason he likes being MVP (of course after the team getting the win) is because he can be listed on the same trophy as Wojo who was MVP in 1998 I think?
“Those two kids, they’re champions,” Krzyzewski said of his senior leaders. “They’re trying to teach the other kids how to become that, and it’s a long road to become that.”