Redshirt anyone?

[roywhite]

This argument doesn't make sense to me. I think everyone can agree that, even if not redshirted, Marshall almost certainlty will not play any meaningful minutes this season (if Miles were to get hurt, we'd play Mason and Ryan, even though neither is a true center, before we would use Marshall). So, if we do not redshirt him this year, and then he uses a medical redshirt later on (meaning two full years of no meaningful minutes while only losing one year of eligibility), he is in the exact same position as if he were to non-med redshirt this year and then lose a full year to injury.

Having said that, I am not in favor of his redshirting this year. I just don't think the argument above makes any sense.

On the issue of redshirting under Coach K, there are two instances I can recall where it may have been a mistake not to redshirt a freshman player:

1. Erik Meek, coming off an accident in the summer, played 143 minutes in 1991-92 (a team that obviously had plenty of talent)
He became a productive inside player by his 4th year, and his redshirt senior year would have been 1995-96 on a team that could have really used him.

2. Lee Melchionni played 71 minutes on the 2002-03 team; he would have been nice to have around on the 2006-07 team

Of course, that's all in retrospect, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Coach K redshirt Marshall this year.

[gam7]

On the issue of redshirting under Coach K, there are two instances I can recall where it may have been a mistake not to redshirt a freshman player:

1. Erik Meek, coming off an accident in the summer, played 143 minutes in 1991-92 (a team that obviously had plenty of talent)
He became a productive inside player by his 4th year, and his redshirt senior year would have been 1995-96 on a team that could have really used him.

2. Lee Melchionni played 71 minutes on the 2002-03 team; he would have been nice to have around on the 2006-07 team

Of course, that's all in retrospect, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Coach K redshirt Marshall this year.

Moderators, I propose moving the redshirt discussion to its own thread.

Roy, these are good examples. I am opposed to redshirting him for a couple of prospective, rather than retrospective, reasons. First of all, I was not privy to the recruiting pitch our staff gave Marshall, but I am guessing that the possibility of Marshall's redshirting during the only year in which he'd have an opportunity to play with both of his brothers was not discussed much, if at all (if someone has info to the contrary, I stand corrected). I suspect that the discussion was along the lines of Marshall having an opportunity to earn his minutes and if he earns them, he would get them. Applying a non-med redshirt essentially is saying, "we are not going to give you an opportunity to earn minutes this year" (although an obvious counter argument is that they would be putting him in a position to earn more minutes four years down the road).

A second reason I oppose the redshirt is that I think it could make Duke vulnerable to negative recruiting from other schools who might argue to future recruits: "Look, you could go to Duke as an All-American and they could still end up redshirting you, whereas we have never done that before and won't do that to you now."

Third, in the eyes of big guys we are recruiting now (Tony Parker and Okafor), my guess is that if they were asked the question, they would prefer that Marshall not redshirt. Redshirting would put Marshall in Tony Parker's class and both anticipate playing the 5. In Okafor's situation, I'd imagine that he'd prefer to see a senior (in Marshall) and a junior (in Parker) ahead of him at his position, rather than two juniors.

[jimsumner]

This argument doesn't make sense to me. I think everyone can agree that, even if not redshirted, Marshall almost certainlty will not play any meaningful minutes this season (if Miles were to get hurt, we'd play Mason and Ryan, even though neither is a true center, before we would use Marshall). So, if we do not redshirt him this year, and then he uses a medical redshirt later on (meaning two full years of no meaningful minutes while only losing one year of eligibility), he is in the exact same position as if he were to non-med redshirt this year and then lose a full year to injury.

Having said that, I am not in favor of his redshirting this year. I just don't think the argument above makes any sense.

You're right. It doesn't make any sense. As long as you assume that redshirting this season and playing but not redshirting are exactly the same thing.

That's the part that doesn't make any sense to me.

[UrinalCake]

Moderators, I propose moving the redshirt discussion to its own thread.

Like maybe this one http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/...light=redshirt

A lot of these issues have already been discussed.