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    Redshirt anyone?

    The red-shirt idea was floated over the summer about both MP3 and Murphey but it seems that Murphey won't red-shirt now. MP3 was mentioned again as a candidate recently although I can't recall what article it was in. I know some people think QC will be an impact player this year but I doubt it unless Seth or TT gets injured. Tyler ended up being an important contributor last year after Kyrie was injured so anything is possible. Even so I think we're stacked at PG so if QC's knee is less than 100% I'd sit him. I think the Murphey speculation was more about him coming early than his readiness and there hasn't been any buzz about Silent G sitting out even though he appears to be 10 or 11 on the depth chart at this point. If I had to guess I'd say MP3 or no one at this point.

    Anyone else have an opinion about potential re-shirt candidates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotusland View Post
    The red-shirt idea was floated over the summer about both MP3 and Murphey but it seems that Murphey won't red-shirt now. MP3 was mentioned again as a candidate recently although I can't recall what article it was in. I know some people think QC will be an impact player this year but I doubt it unless Seth or TT gets injured. Tyler ended up being an important contributor last year after Kyrie was injured so anything is possible. Even so I think we're stacked at PG so if QC's knee is less than 100% I'd sit him. I think the Murphey speculation was more about him coming early than his readiness and there hasn't been any buzz about Silent G sitting out even though he appears to be 10 or 11 on the depth chart at this point. If I had to guess I'd say MP3 or no one at this point.

    Anyone else have an opinion about potential re-shirt candidates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pfrduke View Post
    Murphey now joins a long line of Duke greats, including Reddick, Sheldon, Shyer, Singlar, etc., etc., etc.
    I don't even get how that's possible. Who the heck is named Murphey?

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    I just don't see much reason to redshirt anyone. For one thing, basketball is completely unlike football, where redshirts are more common. 18 and 19 years olds frequently don't have the physical maturity to play college football. In basketball, on the other hand, 18 and 19 year olds are usually physically ready to play, and, frequently, dominate. For another, is there a really good argument that either Murphy or Plumlee will have any particular need for four years of eligibility following this year? Murphy can probably earn some time this year, since we really don't have anyone else on the team quite like him. Next year he may very well start, or at least be a sub in the 20 minutes per game range. As for Marshall, next year Miles will be gone and, if Mason finally gets it to click as Coach K seems to indicate he's looking for this year, Mason may earn a high enough draft pick to warrant going to the NBA as well. There hasn't been much talk of RK making the leap, but he doesn't really compete for time at Marshall's position anyway. Marshall will likely either be first sub at the 5 next year and, if Mason goes pro, may be our starter at the 5.

    So, I expect both Murphy and Marshall can realistically look forward to 3 years of solid playing time, maybe even 2-3 years starting, without redshirting this season.

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    The coaches REALLY want to redshirt Josh Snead this year.
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    I don't see Marshall redshirting; I don't think we're as deep inside as others seem to think. MP1 and MP2 are still pretty foul-prone. Hairston is undersized to guard the 5 and barely has more experience than Marshall. So I think we'll see MP3 get some playing time, and even if it's just a few minutes here and there it'd be a reason not to redshirt. Also there's the whole factor of getting to play with his brothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UrinalCake View Post
    Also there's the whole factor of getting to play with his brothers.
    I think this is the key. If Marshall has any say in the matter, I'd be very surprised if he'd redshirt away the chance to play in games alongside his older brothers. And nobody else is going to redshirt, either. To me, this is a manufactured issue.

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    I think Marshall would benefit tremendously from a redshirt year. He wasn't held back a year like his brothers were at Christ School. We'll find out very soon.

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    redshirts

    We'll know Saturday night ... any player who plays even one second in the exhibition game will not be eligible to redshirt.

    Personally, I think the idea that Murphy or Cook might redshirt are silly -- both are going to average doubl;e figure minutes this season.

    Marshall Plumlee ... maybe. It's not that his game or body needs it (he's further advanced than say Carson Desrosier or Daniel Miller were a year ago -- he'd be starting this year at Maryland or Boston College; he'd be a key player at Clemson, Georgia Tech or Wake Forest). But I don't buy that he's get many minutes. at Duke.

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    Hasn't coach already basically discounted the idea that anyone will red shirt. He said in an interview that he can't remember the last time he redshirted anyone like the players he has right now. Sure Marshall has guys in front of him who can play, but he's a McDonalds All American. He and the rest of the freshman are ready to play college basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympic Fan View Post
    Personally, I think the idea that Murphy or Cook might redshirt are silly -- both are going to average double figure minutes this season.
    I agree with this, but want to point out what is surely a logical extension of this prediction, should it come true: it means K will use a legitimate 9-man rotation.

    Inside: MP1, MP2, Kelly = 75-80 mpg, with mop-up minutes/DNP for JH and MP3
    Perimeter: SC, AD, AR = ~90 mpg, leaving 30-32 mpg to be roughly equally split among 3 of these 4: TT, AM, QC, MG. Most likely MG slips down.

    I could be persuaded that by late season, either TT or QC will lose minutes to the other, which would, in turn, mean K goes back to an 8-man rotation, which might or might not include QC. And if not, QC doesn't quite average double-figure mpg. But QC redshirt, no. He'll play some, and someday soon enough be a star.

    It's also possible, if unlikely, that MG's defense could prove more valuable than AM's all-around game, in which case AM doesn't average double figure.

    There seems a clear top-6 this season, so it's reasonable to argue about who, by January, will be #s 7-9 [and thus part of the rotation], and who #s 10-12 [and thus mostly not, save for blowouts]. One thing that would muddle predictions about mpg would be if each [i.e., every one] of #s 7-12 bring enough to justify their playing substantial minutes in some games. In which unusual-for-K-case, Duke would display a 10-11 man rotation.

    Unlikely, but not impossible, given this particular mixture of players. After all, among the things we know about K, these 2: (a) he settles on an 8-man-rotation, at most; (b) he's flexible, and molds his team according to the actual players on the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gumbomoop View Post
    I agree with this, but want to point out what is surely a logical extension of this prediction, should it come true: it means K will use a legitimate 9-man rotation.

    Inside: MP1, MP2, Kelly = 75-80 mpg, with mop-up minutes/DNP for JH and MP3
    Perimeter: SC, AD, AR = ~90 mpg, leaving 30-32 mpg to be roughly equally split among 3 of these 4: TT, AM, QC, MG. Most likely MG slips down.

    I could be persuaded that by late season, either TT or QC will lose minutes to the other, which would, in turn, mean K goes back to an 8-man rotation, which might or might not include QC. And if not, QC doesn't quite average double-figure mpg. But QC redshirt, no. He'll play some, and someday soon enough be a star.

    It's also possible, if unlikely, that MG's defense could prove more valuable than AM's all-around game, in which case AM doesn't average double figure.

    There seems a clear top-6 this season, so it's reasonable to argue about who, by January, will be #s 7-9 [and thus part of the rotation], and who #s 10-12 [and thus mostly not, save for blowouts]. One thing that would muddle predictions about mpg would be if each [i.e., every one] of #s 7-12 bring enough to justify their playing substantial minutes in some games. In which unusual-for-K-case, Duke would display a 10-11 man rotation.

    Unlikely, but not impossible, given this particular mixture of players. After all, among the things we know about K, these 2: (a) he settles on an 8-man-rotation, at most; (b) he's flexible, and molds his team according to the actual players on the team.
    Agreed. In competitive games, I expect an 8-man rotation with the bench consisting of MP2, Murphy, and Thornton (although a swap of Kelly for MP2 is possible, of course).

    And like others, I don't really expect a redshirt to happen given Coach K's history of not using it. MP3 is the longshot possibility but even he will have a "role" as the center during mop-up duty whenever Duke blows out a team. The mop-up lineup: Fr Cook, Fr Gbinije, Fr Murphy, So Hairston, Fr Plumlee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympic Fan View Post
    We'll know Saturday night ... any player who plays even one second in the exhibition game will not be eligible to redshirt.
    Freshmen are allowed to play in exhibition games and still retain redshirt eligibility. Notre Dame thought the all players could play in exhibitions and retain redshirt capability, but sophomores, juniors, and seniors aren't allowed. They made that mistake with Tim Abromaitis his sophomore year, but appealed to the NCAA for a fifth year and were granted it - although he's serving a four game suspension for the upcoming season.

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-bas...lay-in-2011-12

    The NCAA allows freshmen to play exhibition games and then spend the rest of the year as a redshirt—but not sophomores, juniors or seniors. The Notre Dame coaches misunderstood the rule and didn’t learn of their mistake until well into Abromaitis’ redshirt season.
    So, the debate can rage on past Saturday night.

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    Let's say we're playing UNC and both Plumlees have two fouls with eight minutes left in the first half. While I hope this never happens, it wouldn't be a shock to me if it did. In this case would you prefer

    a.) Kelly guards Zeller, MG or AM guards Henson, Dawkins guards Barnes
    b.) MP3 guards Zeller, Kelly guards Henson, Dawkins or MG/AM guards Barnes.

    Neither of these is a particularly great scenario, and we'd probably do a little of both. I understand that UNC has the deepest frontcourt in the country and is far from a typical opponent, but my point is that it's not completely unforeseeable that we could need MP3 to play some minutes. If we find ourselves in the above situation and he's been redshirted so he's not even available, on the off chance that he decides to stay for a fifth year, then that just wouldn't make any sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UrinalCake View Post
    Let's say we're playing UNC and both Plumlees have two fouls with eight minutes left in the first half. While I hope this never happens, it wouldn't be a shock to me if it did. In this case would you prefer

    a.) Kelly guards Zeller, MG or AM guards Henson, Dawkins guards Barnes
    b.) MP3 guards Zeller, Kelly guards Henson, Dawkins or MG/AM guards Barnes.

    Neither of these is a particularly great scenario, and we'd probably do a little of both. I understand that UNC has the deepest frontcourt in the country and is far from a typical opponent, but my point is that it's not completely unforeseeable that we could need MP3 to play some minutes. If we find ourselves in the above situation and he's been redshirted so he's not even available, on the off chance that he decides to stay for a fifth year, then that just wouldn't make any sense to me.
    I would not surprise me if Marshall sat during that scenario even if he were available. We're basically trying to steal a few minutes so I could see K letting one big play with 2 fouls or going with Josh at 4 or even one of AM or MG at 4. UNC can shoot over you as good as anyone but they also have an annoying habit on getting wide open dunks if your bigs don't rotate quickly and appropriately. I would rather Henson shoot over Josh than have MP3 watching him dunk it. I’m not saying that Marshall won’t be ready to play D because I have no idea but my point is that the tallest guy is not always the best defender and we’ve seen Coach K choose to go small before in similar situations.

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    MP3 didn't even take off his sweats last night, so that points pretty well to redshirting. I met him early in the morning as we set up our tailgate, and he was all smiles. In fact, he's been all smiles every time I met him, hr has a great attitude. If my brain hadn't been soggy and cold I would have loved to think to ask him about the redshirt, but it was and I didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    MP3 didn't even take off his sweats last night, so that points pretty well to redshirting. I.
    I wouldn't make that assumption. It could just mean that K hasn't yet made up his mind. If Marshall plays, he can't redshirt. But not playing doesn't preclude playing down the line.

    As an aside, what an absurd rule. An exhibition game is designed to help a team figure out things without the game actually counting. So, why not allow a potential redshirt to play and thus enable the team to better make that decision? The game doesn't count. So, why should it count? If you know what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    I wouldn't make that assumption. It could just mean that K hasn't yet made up his mind. If Marshall plays, he can't redshirt. But not playing doesn't preclude playing down the line.

    As an aside, what an absurd rule. An exhibition game is designed to help a team figure out things without the game actually counting. So, why not allow a potential redshirt to play and thus enable the team to better make that decision? The game doesn't count. So, why should it count? If you know what I mean.
    I thought freshmen were allowed to play in exhibition games and then redshirt, but not sophomores, juniors, and seniors. Is that not right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    I thought freshmen were allowed to play in exhibition games and then redshirt, but not sophomores, juniors, and seniors. Is that not right?
    That's what someone above said.
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    The analysis seems pretty basic to me:

    As long as MP1, MP2 and Kelly stay healthy, we're going to be just fine at the two big man positions.

    Therefore, it comes down to whether MP3 will be of more benefit playing minimal minutes this year, OR
    would he be more valuable as a fifth year senior four years hence. (Remember The Zoub.)

    Barring injury to others, I'd be stunned if MP3 averaged more than a minute or two per game this year, so a redshirt would seem to make obvious sense.

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