With Quinn sidelined until at least mid-Sept, he may not be back in game shape by the Blue-White game.
That would leave Duke with only 4 gfuys to share the PG/SG slots Seth, Austin, Dre and Tyler.
So they will likely be split up somehow rather than going with Seth-Austin-Dre- Ryan- Mason starting 5 versus the rest. With Quinn, that would have been possible.
Then Alex Murphy and Mike Gbinije pair off, Ryan and Josh/Miles and Mason vs. Miles/Marshall.
The alternative would be Thornton - Gbinije, Murphy, Hairston and Miles.
So with Todd Z, Duke is very deep among the bigs.
Get well soon Quinn, but don't rush it this time.
Can someone please provide me with a summary of Quinn's history of knee issues? I know that he tore something between his junior and senior year and possibly again before the end of the year, but what is the full history? Sorry if this was covered elsewhere. Thanks in advanced!
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Rest up, Quinn. Plenty of games ahead of you!!
We look forward to seeing your talents, in the fullness of time.
Eat Mor Jonny.
Is anyone else worried that this is going to be an ongoing issue?
Undergoing knee surgeries, the muscles around the area (quad, hamstring, calf, hip, etc) can really atrophy after surgery/non-use. That's why rehab is so important to strengthen those muscles back to full capacity.
If I remember correctly, Quinn had a partial ACL tear (or was it a torn meniscus? or both?). The point is (and emphasized for a D1 athlete)...those muscles have to get back to full strength. From what it sounds like according to the articles/interviews posted in this thread, this is a muscle strength issue and not a knee issue. That distinction is quite significant, IMO, and not cause for long-term concern.
Until I read or hear otherwise, I personally remain very optimistic about Quinn's health and future as a Duke Blue Devil.
Jason Jordan My man Quinn Cook (@QCook323) tells me he's "finally 100 percent after a year." In for a big year in Durham! #Duke
So sounds like the mid-Sept prognosis was correct.
With the top 6 probably averaging abour 25 minutes each, seems like Quinn and Tyler compete for about 25 total minutes at combo.
Alex/Mike compete for another 25 at SF/WF2, leaving only about 10 for Josh and Marshall to compete for with MP1-MP2-Ryan garnering 70-75 MPG total at PF/C.
Holy Kabongo Batman!
Sounds like really good news. I also like that QC will have another month before practice officially starts to get back in the swing of playing pick-up ball and mixing in with his teammates.
I look at Quinn as primarily a backup/insurance policy at PG this season, but he could play his way into a bigger role.
Delighted that he'll have that chance.
I see seven primary Duke lineups, among the almost infinite possibilities.
For sake of disciussion I will use the name Alex where it could be Alex or Mike as the SF bigger than Dre.
Three that feature Seth, Ryan and 1 Plumlee:
1. the starting lineup in China/Dubai while Mason rests.
2. with Austin and Alex in high risk high reward and also a third big set when Dre and Miles rests..
3. with Quinn and Dre in a tradiitional 3 guard shooters paradise when Austin and 1 Plumlee rests.
Ditto with two sets in a 2 Plums and Dre.Seth set:
4. Again Austin paired with Alex while Ryan and Seth/Dre gets a rest in 3 big set.
5. Both Dre/Seth and Tyler to shake things up while Austin and Ryan rest.
6, Stall ball/victory formation with Ryan in post, Alex @ WF2, and three of [Austin/Seth/Quinn/Dre] assuming Alex will be a more reliable FT shooter than either Plumlee, and that Austin can hit his fair share of FTs too, which was not the case for most of Duke in China/Dubai.
7. When Duke has a big lead: Marshall if he does not redshirt, Josh, Mike, Tyler and Quinn
One reply was that the top 6 play closer to 30 MPG than 25.
That would leave only 20 MPG to split across: Alex, Quinn, Tyler, Mike, Josh and possibly Marshall. Though on a less deep team they could each play 30 MPG, I assumed 25 max or more likely a total of 140-145 MPG for these 6 with 55-60 MPG shared by other 5 or 6:
25 MPG each - Austin, Seth and Ryan (75)
20-25 each - Miles, Mason and Dre (140-145)
split 25 MPG - Alex/Mike and Quinn/Tyler (190-195)
5+ - Josh (195-200)
5- Marshall (200)
Josh may be more capable than the 5-10 MPG he played last year (assuming more of Singler's PF minutes) but faces great competition form the 2 Plums and the much improved Ryan Kelly. Mike and Alex are both very promising as are Quinn and Tyler for different reasons, but only so many minutes to go around.
So yes, Seth will play as many minutes as anybody. Whether you consider Seth the PG or the SG in each of these pairings is up to you.
In any event, welcome back Quinn who will have some very positive impact this year and even more in future years.
“Those two kids, they’re champions,” Krzyzewski said of his senior leaders. “They’re trying to teach the other kids how to become that, and it’s a long road to become that.”
That leaves only 40-50 mpg for the reserves. I don't see both Hairston and Marshall averaging 5 mpg. I'd expect to see Hairston get 5-10 mpg and Marshall to play very sparingly (~2-3mpg). That leaves about 30-40 mpg for the quartet of Cook, Gbinije, Murphy, and Thornton.
Here is a table showing how many Duke players averaged 30 or more minutes and 28 or more minutes (rounding to the nearest minute, e.g., 29.7 = 30) during Coach K's tenure at Duke:
So, in all but three of Coach K's 31 seasons, we have had 2 or more players who played 30 or more minutes. In all but five seasons we have had 3 or more players who played 28 or more minutes. But not even on the deepest team in Coach K's Duke career (1997-98) did the top minute-getter max out at 25 mpg (top minute-getter in 1997-98 played 29 mpg).Code:Year # of players 30 or more mpg # of players 28 or more mpg ---- --------------------------- --------------------------- 2011 2 2 2010 3 3 2009 3 3 2008 1 4 2007 4 4 2006 4 4 2005 3 3 2004 4 4 2003 3 4 2002 3 5 2001 2 5 2000 3 4 1999 2 4 1998 0 1 1997 2 2 1996 4 4 1995 2 3 1994 4 4 1993 3 4 1992 5 5 1991 2 2 1990 3 3 1989 3 3 1988 2 4 1987 2 3 1986 3 4 1985 3 3 1984 3 4 1983 1 2 1982 3 3 1981 4 4
Historically speaking, the odds are overwhelming that two players this season will play at least 30 mpg and that a third player will play 28 mpg or more. You might as well work that in to your otherwise reasonable and well-thought out analysis.