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  1. #21
    I just always enjoyed the annual Seth Greenberg sob-fest portion of CBS Selection Sunday. It was always so dramatic, Seth on the phone complaining about VaTech getting left out of the dance yet again...

    Usually, it came about 15 minutes into the show and somewhere in the dialogue was, "but, we beat Duke in the regular season... waaaaaa... Mommy!"

    This year, I think the selection committee should just leave VaTech out just because the show want have as that raw, compelling, whiny diatribe we're so used to seeing. There will be others, but Seth has the feel-sorry for myself attitude down so good.

    I think that attitude extends to his players. Like when he had to get on Delaney the other day and sit him down for pouting. Too funny.

    Allen was a poor sport as was Delaney. I forgot who Marshall plowed into on purpose, but man, I liked how he was backing up his senior leader, Nolan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameron View Post
    When Al Skinner was coaching alongside the River Charles, and Sean Marshall and Jared Dudley were still in town, Boston College made today's Florida State and Virginia Tech look like the the cast of Ladybugs. I have never hated a player more than I did Sean Marshall. The definition of a criminal. I have, in recent years, hated Paul Davis, Josh Boone (I wanted Boone X'd out), Joe Alexander, Tyler Hansbrough, Danny Green, Deron Washington, Chas McFarland, Derwin Kitchen, Harrison Barnes, John Henson and Jeff Allen, among many others, just as much, but none more than Sean Marshall.

    With Marshall, forget "getting chippy." If you scored on him, you had to make sure he wasn't going to pull out a shiv. I will never forget Redick's three-on-one fast-break triple at Chestnut Hill in 2006, which was followed by the stare-down of Sean Marshall after Marshall attempted to slow him up at half-court with a punk chest bump. Sweet memories.
    Good call. The BC Eagles also had an obnoxious (and talented) group just before that which included Troy Bell and Ryan Sidney. Always felt that Ryan Sidney was the biggest drama queen in the ACC this side of Ivory Latta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roywhite View Post
    Good call. The BC Eagles also had an obnoxious (and talented) group just before that which included Troy Bell and Ryan Sidney. Always felt that Ryan Sidney was the biggest drama queen in the ACC this side of Ivory Latta.
    The chippiness with the Troy Bell/Ryan Sidney bunch goes back even before BC's ACC days. I recall Jason Williams getting heaved into the scorer's table late in a January '01 game against those guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson View Post
    The chippiness with the Troy Bell/Ryan Sidney bunch goes back even before BC's ACC days. I recall Jason Williams getting heaved into the scorer's table late in a January '01 game against those guys.
    To be fair, IIRC Jason kind of baited that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldPhiKap View Post
    To be fair, IIRC Jason kind of baited that.
    He did, but I remember his antics being a response to a game filled with a bunch of punkish behavior.

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    I would vote Clan McCants for two places on the ACC's all-time All-Punk team. If anything, she was worse than he was.

    And don't forget about Leah Matcalfe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsb3 View Post
    It is always something with VT. Wasn't it Paulus that got kicked in the face while on the floor? Next to UNC they are my least favorite ACC team. OK don't shoot me for this but I don't really dislike Maryland. The idiot fans yes but the team and Gary no.
    I think a bunch of us feel this way about MD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Green View Post
    There are words which accurately describe my disdain for Virginia Tech and their over-the-top physical play. There is no excuse for the premier basketball conference to have to put up with Greenburg and his Band of Bullies. The ACC needs to take action against the (C)Hokies. Allen and Delaney are an embarrassment to the league.

    League expansion -- Yuck! -- Epic failure.
    Thank you for saying this.

    I know Nate is too mature, but I was sort of hoping they would do something stupid in his vicinity. It got sketchy there for a few moments like something crazy might start. I feel the need to check their graduation rates. They don't act like college kids. I really hope they get left out of the NCAA's again. If not, a play-in game would be nice. Why do they call it the first round? Please - it's a play-in. Anyway, I know many decent people that went to VT, and the kids on that team do not represent them at all. Keep losing to UVA Seth, and you'll be sent packing. The sooner the better!

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    The two people who have to stick out on these lists are Deron Washington and Sean Marshall who put Allen to shame. Allen was a bit of a punk but those guys reveled from their antics. I don't think G. Tech gets into the same category of FSU, BC (back in the day) and Va. Tech.
    Those teams and especially those players legitimately scared me about what they would do next. It was ridiculous. I think the replays were made for these two guys, if only they had it back in the day. No Va. Tech or BC game would finish under 2 hours with all the delays and both those guys would be taking showers early.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Green View Post
    There are words which accurately describe my disdain for Virginia Tech and their over-the-top physical play. There is no excuse for the premier basketball conference to have to put up with Greenburg and his Band of Bullies. The ACC needs to take action against the (C)Hokies. Allen and Delaney are an embarrassment to the league.

    League expansion -- Yuck! -- Epic failure.
    Thank you Bob - my feelings exactly. VPI has nothing but discredit the league since our esteemed commissioner invited them in. Greenburg was a thug, is a thug and will always be a thug.

  10. #30
    Did the broadcast say why the technical was called on Allen? I was in the arena and it wasn't clear. We guessed it was because of something he said in earshot of the ref. The teams were gathered at one end and it was a dead ball situation, I believe not long after Allen charged into Kyle and Kyle was called for the foul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantone #287 View Post
    Actually, that was Lee Melchionni. Deron Washington was significantly worse than Jeff Allan, IMO. Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DrgNEZ8VR8

    Greg Paulus got hit by Chris Paul in a sensitive area, IIRC.
    That was State's Julius Hodge actually. Paul and Paulus didn't play in college at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy View Post
    Did the broadcast say why the technical was called on Allen? I was in the arena and it wasn't clear. We guessed it was because of something he said in earshot of the ref. The teams were gathered at one end and it was a dead ball situation, I believe not long after Allen charged into Kyle and Kyle was called for the foul.
    Elbow to the head. Two free throws and the ball to the team that got hit in the head.
    DukeDevilDeb

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    Watch the replay announcers ....

    How could Vitale and Bonner proclaim so definitively that Allen did not throw it in his face on purpose? Andre's whole body was out of bounds and he had all the time in the world to decide where to throw it. He could hit any part of his body yet he hits him in the middle of the face?

    I understand not proclaiming that he did because how could you know. But the reverse is true as well.

    Man that pissed me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange&BlackSheep View Post
    How could Vitale and Bonner proclaim so definitively that Allen did not throw it in his face on purpose? Andre's whole body was out of bounds and he had all the time in the world to decide where to throw it. He could hit any part of his body yet he hits him in the middle of the face?

    I understand not proclaiming that he did because how could you know. But the reverse is true as well.

    Man that pissed me off.
    We had the ACC Network here locally. After initially stating it was not on purpose, Tim Brando changed his mind upon seeing the replay. He thought it was intentional. I don't see how one could view it any other way. Did Allen really even need to throw it off of Andre at all? I only saw the one replay but it appeared he could have stayed inbounds if he had wanted to without throwing the ball off Andre in the first place.

    Wainstein Report Page 19 Section G:
    In men’s basketball, academic counselor Burgess McSwain (“McSwain”) and
    her successor Wayne Walden routinely called Crowder to arrange classes for their
    players.
    Roy Williams Of Nazareth had no knowledge however. He is sinless.

  15. #35
    I really had no problem with Seth green burg until December 29 2008.V.T. was in my town playing (Charleston southern university)csu.csu had the hokies on their heels.they were flat out outplaying them.one of csu's big men was giving them trouble.also csu's guard warren was eating them alive.csu's pf was undercut.he never came back into the game.they foul looked dirty to me. that and what i actually heard greenburg whining about. he was on refs for most of the game.that forever changed my perception of Mr.green burg.the hokies ended up coming back and winning 75-66.i wonder if allen was on that team aswell?

  16. #36

    lost his mind

    i remember Sean Marshall guarding JJ Redick and talking smack. Well this one time he was in JJ's face screaming at the top of his lungs at mid court. The only problem was BC had called a timeout, JJ knew they had called the timeout and just stood there and finally he told Marshall look at the scoreboard there is a timeout and the idiot just simply smiled sheepishly and walked to the bench. There have been many thugs in the league but the one who doesn't get his just due is Chris Paul, don't believe anything good about him, he was a thug then, he is now and will continue to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajgoodfella7 View Post
    I don't even think Sean Marshall's parents liked Sean Marshall.
    Now that is funny!!!

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    Don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but I think the fact that we let the shot clock expire at the end of the Maryland game v/s Nolan driing for a layup at the end of the VT game says alot about how little we respect those thugs and rightly so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magjayran View Post
    Wait....did that happen today?
    Is that low-life a senior? If not, can the acc suspend him for a game? Nah, what am I thinking. If two unc FB players can get away with punches without a suspension, why would I even think that the front office would suspend this clown for an obscene gesture.
    Wait a minute. What's the commish's name again?

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    During the timeout right after Allen's shenanigans we were watching the refs huddled around the monitor for a long time, even telling the players to go back into their huddles when they came out before the refs were ready. They'd missed the dirty play the frst time. Then they seemed to reach a conclusion pretty quickly and called the HC's over and explained what had happened and what they were going to do/call. Seth was immediately angry... Not knowing what was going on inside the stadium, in retrospect it was funniest when Allen came over to the VT bench as we were shooting the technicals and (towards his coaches) gave a "I have no idea why they could have called anything on me" shrug/shake and quick comment. It was real nice to see him foul out early.

    FWIW, the VPI fans didn't seem overwhelmingly into it, and seemed more-or-less resigned to losing from fairly early on. Just my perception from inside the Coliseum.
    -BDBD

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