Anyone else find the shirt peddlers outside Cameron appalling last night?

[jdj4duke]

I tend give these guys and gals the benefit of the doubt particularly with the economy the way it is right now.

I rather see someone trying to make a buck this way than selling illicit drugs in a back alley somewhere

GO DUKE!

I was at the game and the shirts and sellers were appalling. As for "the guys and gals"selling them, one of line monitors chased one down right in front of me and had him open his duffle wherein was the monitor's coat which had been picked up from where the monitor had left it. So maybe not selling dope but not pillars of integrity either.

[anon]

These people were at the Carolina game (at which, presumably, everyone "bled blue", right?) last year too. So don't expect them to go away on their own.

[Kewlswim]

Hi,

I don't know I wasn't there. I'll take everyone's word for how they acted and what they sold. All I am trying to say is that the world is not so great right now for a lot of people. There is a lot of desperation. Locking some guy up for selling offensive (to some) t-shirts seems, for example, a bit heavy-handed. Stealing is another thing all together, I'm sorry someone's coat was taken. I'll stop trying to speak up for the guy who is trying to make a buck, there are a lot of other ways to do so than to make a number of people angry. Did it look like anyone was actually buying the shirt?

GO DUKE!

[SupaDave]

Hi,

I don't know I wasn't there. I'll take everyone's word for how they acted and what they sold. All I am trying to say is that the world is not so great right now for a lot of people. There is a lot of desperation. Locking some guy up for selling offensive (to some) t-shirts seems, for example, a bit heavy-handed. Stealing is another thing all together, I'm sorry someone's coat was taken. I'll stop trying to speak up for the guy who is trying to make a buck, there are a lot of other ways to do so than to make a number of people angry. Did it look like anyone was actually buying the shirt?

GO DUKE!

Well these guys did nothing for their integrity. Just imagine if that shirt said something like, ohhh I don't know - "Order is restored", hmmmm, I wonder if that would sell...?

Desperate and stupid very seldomly go well together.

[allenmurray]

I think we can agree: selling shirts, fine. Screaming profanity, maybe not so good.

Hi,

I don't know I wasn't there. I'll take everyone's word for how they acted and what they sold. All I am trying to say is that the world is not so great right now for a lot of people. There is a lot of desperation. Locking some guy up for selling offensive (to some) t-shirts seems, for example, a bit heavy-handed. Stealing is another thing all together, I'm sorry someone's coat was taken. I'll stop trying to speak up for the guy who is trying to make a buck, there are a lot of other ways to do so than to make a number of people angry. Did it look like anyone was actually buying the shirt?

GO DUKE!

[DU82]

The only acceptable "I Bleed Blue" shirt comes from the American Red Cross, and is available for the low price of one pint.

[wgl1228]

I did not see a soul buy the shirt. I can handle a peddler but the vulgar statement on the shirt loudly being repeated by the four to five people circling the stadium was too much.

[Devilsfan]

They're not any slimier than the hords of scalpers roaming around CIS.

[darthur]

As I was leaving Cameron several men were yelling out trying to sell shirts that said "I Bleed Blue" on the front and on the back it said something like "If you don't then take your I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this. I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this. home". Not only that but they were yelling the quote at the top of their lungs. I know some don't care but if I had a child I would have been greatly upset for them to have to hear that. Heck, I don't want to have to hear that as I'm walking through campus. Why does Duke allow these people to stand on campus anyway selling their homemade stuff anyway?

I think the real question here is why a** is censored by DBR, but b**** is not

[OZZIE4DUKE]

The only acceptable "I Bleed Blue" is ... one pint.

from Wojo!

[elvis14]

Well these guys did nothing for their integrity. Just imagine if that shirt said something like, ohhh I don't know - "Order is restored", hmmmm, I wonder if that would sell...?

Thanks to a friend, I was able to attend last night's game. I wore my "Order has been restored" shirt. Got a few nice comments from folks. I didn't see the solicitors in question last night but if anyone wants to sell me a ticket for the next game I'm willing to walk around after the game looking for them. I'll report back here with what I find

[Newton_14]

The guys selling the shirts were loud and obnoxious. They approached me on my way in and out. I actually saw one person making a purchase on the way out. I agree with the others that the language was offensive, and they should not be allowed to open their own little T-Shirt Shop on Campus like that.

The guy was yelling out the slogan on the shirt with women and children 10 feet from him. I assume some good soul officially complained to the appropriate people at Duke that can put a stop to the peddlers.

I have attended almost all of the games this year including Mich St and this is the first time I have seen them out there. Maybe they go away and do not try to come back until the UNC game at which point they are asked to leave.

[dukefan5656]

I actually bought that shirt last year at the Duke UNC game for my girlfriend. She happened to love it. The thing is, it isn't a "DUKE" shirt, it just happens to be dark blue. It doesnt say Duke anywhere on it. It was only 10 bucks

[epoulsen]

If there is one thing that being a Duke fan has taught me it's how to act with class. Whenever I take someone to a game at CIS, afterwards I will ask them to summarize the experience in one word. I cannot count how many times my companion has said "class". Even after taking my sister (a UNC grad) to the a Duke Carolina game she commented on how she wasn't heckled or made the subject of the Crazies cheers/jeers (I've noticed this only seems to happen when one acts with no class), needless to say I was not shown the same respect after she took me to the Dean Dome for the Duke UNC game, but I digress.

My point is that people like these vendors ruin the experience that is Duke University's Cameron Indoor Stadium. And whats more is that they set precedent for other trashy vendors to follow, ie this could be our first step to becoming the Comcast Center. The class and charm of Duke's campus and Cameron Indoor will be compromised by these people. They are selling out one of our most beloved and intangible qualities for a few dollars. Does anyone know who, or what department to talk about this? And it would seem that the more people who express their distaste for these vendors the more the University will do to try and stop it. I look forward to bringing my son to CIS for the first time when he is six years old. I do not intend to have anyone yelling vulgarities at him on that, or any other night. And if I'm lucky, maybe the Cameron Indoor experience will teach him a thing or two about class.

[4decadedukie]

Loud and obnoxious vendors, selling likely unauthorized merchandise, that conveys a dreadful message, from which Duke receives no profit are ALL BAD. Just as appalling, however, is the FACT that the entire campus is PRIVATE PROPERTY and that the University has the absolute right to preclude sales of this sort (or any sort, for that matter), even if the salespersons were wonderful, the merchandise and its messages were superb, and the profits supported charity.

Although I was not at the game, I have already called Bob Shepard (VP, Development and Alumni Relations) and requested that he alert the Duke Police to this clear violation of University policy.

[DU82]

Loud and obnoxious vendors, selling likely unauthorized merchandise, that conveys a dreadful message, from which Duke receives no profit is ALL BAD. Just as appalling, however, is the FACT that the entire campus is PRIVATE PROPERTY and that the University has the absolute right to preclude sales of this sort (or any sort, for that matter), even if the salespersons were wonderful, the merchandise and its messages were superb, and the profits supported charity.

Although I was not at the game, I will immediately call Bob Shepard (VP, Development and Alumni Relations) and ask that he alert the Duke Police to this clear violation of University policy.

Of course, while I thought this particular shirt was inappropriate, a similar "illegal" sale happened last year at the Carolina game. Students sold the "Zoub" shirt, with two printed hands in the "Z" formation. Everybody seemed to like that one (I possess one as well!) Then again, a student group doing it (even without official permission) is a lot different than a "foreign" vendor.

[4decadedukie]

Of course, while I thought this particular shirt was inappropriate, a similar "illegal" sale happened last year at the Carolina game. Students sold the "Zoub" shirt, with two printed hands in the "Z" formation. Everybody seemed to like that one (I possess one as well!) Then again, a student group doing it (even without official permission) is a lot different than a "foreign" vendor.

The fact that Duke has the absolute right to preclude such unauthorized sales obviously does not mean that the University should do so under all circumstances, as you suggest above. I loved the "Z tee-shirt;" this, however, greatly differs. Recognizing that we exist in a "legalistic" society, I nevertheless believe it is perfectly appropriate for University officials to make "arbitrary" decisions -- based on their judgments -- without documented guidelines in such matters. After all, that is why the Trustees empower appointed officers, who in turn placed authority, responsibility and accountability in their subordinates.

[DU82]

The fact that Duke has the absolute right to preclude such unauthorized sales obviously does not mean that the University should do so under all circumstances, as you suggest above. I loved the "Z tee-shirt;" this, however, greatly differs. Recognizing that we exist in a "legalistic" society, I nevertheless believe it is perfectly appropriate for University officials to make "arbitrary" decisions -- based on their judgments -- without documented guidelines in such matters. After all, that is why the Trustees empower appointed officers, who in turn placed authority, responsibility and accountability in their subordinates.

I should have been clear that I agree with what you said (much better than I would have) and feel a student organization is essentially an "official" Duke group for these purposes. I've come across many such sales on the Bryan Center bridge and other places (especially since all but a month of my undergraduate career occurred before that walkway opened.)

[allenmurray]

The fact that Duke has the absolute right to preclude such unauthorized sales obviously does not mean that the University should do so under all circumstances, as you suggest above. I loved the "Z tee-shirt;" this, however, greatly differs. Recognizing that we exist in a "legalistic" society, I nevertheless believe it is perfectly appropriate for University officials to make "arbitrary" decisions -- based on their judgments -- without documented guidelines in such matters. After all, that is why the Trustees empower appointed officers, who in turn placed authority, responsibility and accountability in their subordinates.

I agree. And the fact the the folks selling the Z-shirt were not yelling profanities in the presence of young kids probably made it a lot easier for univeristy officals to "look the other way".