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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duvall View Post
    At what point does State's fabulous basketball tradition become as irrelevant as CCNY's? State's glory days are now a distant memory not just for potential recruits, but for parents of potential recruits.

    State does have the advantage of a large and engaged fanbase, which matters a lot. But it's not clear how much tradition still helps them.
    To high school kids being recruited, State's championships from 74 and 83 are already irrelevant...and they're probably not sure if the Everett Case years happened before or after dinosaurs became extinct.

    To NC State fans, that history will never become irrelevant. Whether or not it's a realistic hope for State to compete on an even level with Duke and UNC, the Wolfpack fans have the legitimate pride that their program was the foundation of Tobacco Road basketball. Yes, they've been long surpassed by Duke and UNC. Doesn't matter. Their fans aren't going to settle on a coach that makes them a somewhat more respectable third best program in the Triangle, they aren't going to settle for middle of the pack ACC finishes while Duke and UNC take turns winning ACC championships, and they aren't going to settle for occassional sweet 16s when we're making the final four.

    And they shouldn't. They do have a great, rich basketball history, they have great facilities, they play in an elite basketball conference, and, as we've seen right here at Duke, a college program like that is one great hire away from being a national power.

    I had hoped Sidney would get the job done at State, and I still hope he will (though I doubt it at this point), but if he doesn't, why shouldn't the State fans hope to hire some fresh faced Polish guy from a sorry program like Army and enjoy a return to basketball glory?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duvall View Post
    At what point does State's fabulous basketball tradition become as irrelevant as CCNY's? State's glory days are now a distant memory not just for potential recruits, but for parents of potential recruits.

    State does have the advantage of a large and engaged fanbase, which matters a lot. But it's not clear how much tradition still helps them.
    Know what might be a better comparison than CCNY (although its a different sport)? Duke football.

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    This quote says my thoughts very well. (Also, it's a good article to read.)

    Maybe the Wolfpack wouldn't be 6-4 with no quality wins if it didn't have an unfortunate injury to Tracy Smith. It's an obvious blow to their team. But it's been made out like State is incapable of doing anything without Smith in the lineup. He's an important player, but if not having Smith for a few games meant the Wolfpack wouldn't win a single quality game without him, then they weren't that good to begin with.
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  4. #24
    I'm not so pessimistic.

    Sure, State hasn't looked very good so far, and it's true that it's NCAA hopes are dwindling, but they also don't have any bad losses and have been close in every game except the Wisconsin debacle.

    Without Tracy Smith and with one of the youngest teams in nation based on playing time.

    They've definitely disappointed, but to me its nothing that can't possibly be fixed, and State IMO will turn into a NCAA tourney caliber team by the end of the season, even if they don't make it because of the disappointing start.

    To me, this is one of the scariest teams in the ACC outside of Duke. Sure, they'll probably bungle a few games, but they'll beat a few teams they weren't supposed to (like last year, but even moreso).

    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    This quote says my thoughts very well. (Also, it's a good article to read.)


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    I think another factor is going to be the Amato clause... If State gets swept by UNC again, that may go just as far as an NIT berth in Lowe's dismissal (unofficially, of course).

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoutingncu View Post
    I think another factor is going to be the Amato clause... If State gets swept by UNC again, that may go just as far as an NIT berth in Lowe's dismissal (unofficially, of course).
    Isnt Unc supposed to collapse again this year? I thought that was the plan based on the fact that they were better at this point last year.

    Getting swept by Unc would mean State is likely a sub-.500 team in conference which would be the actual problem. Also, I'm not sure anyone can definitely say what Tracy Smith brings to the table when he returns though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superdave View Post
    Isnt Unc supposed to collapse again this year? I thought that was the plan based on the fact that they were better at this point last year.

    Getting swept by Unc would mean State is likely a sub-.500 team in conference which would be the actual problem. Also, I'm not sure anyone can definitely say what Tracy Smith brings to the table when he returns though.
    Or it would mean State choked against unc...certainly within the realm of possibility I would say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superdave View Post
    Getting swept by Unc would mean State is likely a sub-.500 team in conference which would be the actual problem. Also, I'm not sure anyone can definitely say what Tracy Smith brings to the table when he returns though.
    Worth noting is that I think NCSt got a tough draw this year in the ACC's rotating schedule. They do get Wake twice, which is nice, but they get most of the top tier teams twice too. If you consider Duke, UNC, FSU, and Maryland to be the top of the conference (as I do); State gets all those teams except Maryland twice. Plus, the game with the Terps is at Maryland. going 3-4 in those 7 games would be huge...2-5 may even be hard to accomplish.

    Also worth noting that State may get a bit of a pass from the committee on some of their recent struggles if Smith comes back strong and they appear to be a different team once he is back on the floor. In some ways, December could be a mulligan for State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoutingncu View Post
    I think another factor is going to be the Amato clause... If State gets swept by UNC again, that may go just as far as an NIT berth in Lowe's dismissal (unofficially, of course).
    This is a really good point. State lost to UNC in 2010, 63-77 at home and 61-74 away. That provided UNC with two (TWO) of its five (FIVE) conference wins. I suspect State HAS to win at least one game this year against UNC for Sidney to survive.

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    RE: Lowe's job security.

    Keep in mind that State has a new AD. New ADs are the last thing a struggling coach wants to see. The AD who hired you has an investment in you. An AD who did not hire you does not have that investment.

  11. #31
    Sidney Lowe is simply a bad coach. His teams rarely play with a lot of energy; especially defensively and he may be the worst situational coach in the ACC. The last person I want drawing up a play with two seconds to go and the game on the line is Sydney.

    Also, have you guys noticed that when a player gets hot from the field Syndey pulls them? It happens like CLOCKWORK and has for the last three years. I think any time a player deviates from the set play they get pulled regardless of the game situation.

    I, literally, think that he is the worst coach in the ACC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreechTDX1847 View Post
    I, literally, think that he is the worst coach in the ACC.
    Well, based on a little less than half a season of evidence, I think you might be able to include Bzezdzdzdzic in this conversation. And you certainly can't talk about "worst coach in the ACC" without mentioning Hewitt.

    Hmmm, maybe this goes in another thread with a poll attached.

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    I hope he gets a bit more time. This is only his fifth season, and it's not like his teams have been terrible every year. They just seem stuck on 20 wins and an occasional trip to the NIT. But let's not forget that he beat Duke last year and Duke, UNC and Wake four years ago (when beating Wake meant something).

    As with Indiana, I think it's good for CBB for NC State to have a good program. It's been a while, admittedly. But they've got a good 7-footer coming next year (from Word of God IIRC) and a really good point guard committed for 2012.

    I don't know about Lowe as an Xs and Os coach or motivator. But I hope he's given a fair chance to succeed or fail -- 6 or 7 years, not 4 or 5.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Well, based on a little less than half a season of evidence, I think you might be able to include Bzezdzdzdzic in this conversation. And you certainly can't talk about "worst coach in the ACC" without mentioning Hewitt.

    Hmmm, maybe this goes in another thread with a poll attached.

    --Jason "opinions?" Evans
    Hewitt is a perennial contender, of course, but...

    Wake this season has lost to Stetson, Winthrop, and now Presbyterian, the latter a team 2 years fresh from Division II. And I thought Buzz wasn't that bad a hire, either -- but the man is imploding from the pressure. His press conference tonight showed a man pretty much giving up on the season.

    As for Lowe, his teams have been amazingly disjointed and undisciplined on the floor. Yes, he's without Tracy Smith, but there's only so much Smith can do; he alone isn't going to stop the horrible ball handling, horrendous defensive fundamentals, or overall lack of intensity.

    If we were to hold a poll, I'd be inclined to give the "prize" to Buzz, with a close second fought between Lowe and Hewitt.

    Ping "boy oh boy is the ACC down this year" Lin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ping Lin View Post
    His press conference tonight showed a man pretty much giving up on the season.
    Care to elaborate on that, Ping?

    (I agree with your general sentiment, of course; Wake had a very bare cupboard to welcome Bzzzz with but losing to Presbyterian still shouldn't be acceptable. They're on pace to challenge Doh's 8-20 year.)

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    I never was a fan of the Lowe hire. I know State got turned down by all of their top targets, but the AD then panicked and pulled the trigger on Lowe, rather than patiently pursuing a more worthy candidate. At the time there were some good young coaches at local mid-majors, that would have been better choices.

    If you can't hit the homerun hire of an established winner, my view is, you go the route of young coach who has performed well at a smaller school. That is how Valvano, K, and Cremins came to be. It is a gamble, but far less of a gamble than Lowe was.

    One problem I have noticed in Lowe's style, in addition to his teams not playing hard, is he tries the NBA method of different rotations game by game based on match-ups. Two seasons ago I watched 4 or 5 State games over about a 2 week period. He had a different starting line up in just about every game, and a kid would start and play 25 minutes in one game, then not start and get 4 minutes the next game. Professionals are mature enough to handle that. College "kids' are not.That style simply will not work in the college game.

    I hate seeing State struggle as I feel the ACC needs all of the Big Four to be Top 25 Caliber programs. It just makes the ACC better imo. I believe though, that Lowe has had enough time to get a solid foundation laid and show a path to success, and he has failed. Losing Smith has hurt them this year, but losing by 40 at Wisconsin was a troubling sign.

    The clock is ticking. Given the current state of the ACC, if the Pack cannot go 10-6 or better, I think they have no shot at the NCAA's and that will be the final nail in the coffin for Lowe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CEF1959 View Post
    I hope he gets a bit more time. This is only his fifth season, and it's not like his teams have been terrible every year. They just seem stuck on 20 wins and an occasional trip to the NIT. But let's not forget that he beat Duke last year and Duke, UNC and Wake four years ago (when beating Wake meant something).

    As with Indiana, I think it's good for CBB for NC State to have a good program. It's been a while, admittedly. But they've got a good 7-footer coming next year (from Word of God IIRC) and a really good point guard committed for 2012.

    I don't know about Lowe as an Xs and Os coach or motivator. But I hope he's given a fair chance to succeed or fail -- 6 or 7 years, not 4 or 5.
    The counter-argument would be that five years is enough. Lowe took over a program that had made the NCAAs five years in a row. He hasn't made the NCAAs yet. Every player on his team is a player he recruited. Sure, he's had some good wins but I could give you a long list of really bad losses.

    This may be premature. State hasn't started its ACC season yet, its best player has been out with an injury and the ACC's performance so far suggests that there are first-division niches just begging to be filled. So, maybe State goes 10-6, goes to the NCAAs, Lowe gets an extension and everything is hunky-dory. Stranger things have happened.

    But, as I stated earlier in the thread, I'm quite certain that State has to go to the Big Dance for him to keep his job. Maybe that's not fair, maybe five years isn't long enough. But Sendek didn't leave a bare cupboard and the job was by no means considered a rebuilding job when Lowe took it. The State fan base is restless and Lowe has a big two months ahead of him.

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Well, based on a little less than half a season of evidence, I think you might be able to include Bzezdzdzdzic in this conversation. And you certainly can't talk about "worst coach in the ACC" without mentioning Hewitt.

    Hmmm, maybe this goes in another thread with a poll attached.

    --Jason "opinions?" Evans
    I am talking track record over the last four years. He typically has a bit more talent (that he doesn't keep around) than the lower tier ACC programs but his in-game coaching is just atrocious. His teams play with NO energy; even the lower tier teams come out and try to punch you in the mouth.

  19. #39
    Andy Katz agrees with me that it's wayyyy premature to count out the Wolfpack, and that they haven't been as bad as people seem to believe so far.....after all, their losses are all to teams that would probably be #2 in the ACC this year.

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...y-smith-return

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    There is no one who gets less out of more than Paul Hewitt. Abysmal.

    Lowe needs to show this year, agree with all of those above.

    Bz, too early to tell. They were not very good last year and are learning a new system. So I think the jury is out. No doubt, though, they are really really bad this year.

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