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    Well, not exactly

    Well, this does go both ways. If you have to explain to somebody umpteen million times that they are not a rival, then they begin to look like a duck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rthomas View Post
    Well, this does go both ways. If you have to explain to somebody umpteen million times that they are not a rival, then they begin to look like a duck.
    How does that work? That dorky little kid two grades below who picks his nose at recess doesn't become your friend by following you around all the time like a sick puppy when you repeatedly tell him not to. A relationship takes two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukebluelemur View Post
    How does that work? That dorky little kid two grades below who picks his nose at recess doesn't become your friend by following you around all the time like a sick puppy when you repeatedly tell him not to. A relationship takes two.
    I don't think we treat Maryland like that. If we did, we would treat the Maryland game exactly the same as an average ACC game, which is simply not the case. I think Maryland is more like the kid you hang out with at home, but don't want to be seen with in public so you ignore him when others are around. It is still clear that you mean more to him that he does to you, but its not like you don't care about him at all, even if you tell everyone that. Duke fans still get up for a Maryland game more than a Clemson, UVA, or BC game. For Duke, Maryland is a rival, unlike UNC who is the rival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rthomas View Post
    Well, this does go both ways. If you have to explain to somebody umpteen million times that they are not a rival, then they begin to look like a duck.
    Nolan said they are a rival. But he grew up in their shadow.

    We beat them twice when I was an undergrad in HUGE upsets (1973 and 1976). We beat them up there when Shane found his "3 stroke" in 2000 (?) in a mild surprise. They are a helluva lot of fun to beat. I love to beat them and hate to lose to them; they are a conference team. Lefty used to coach them. Sweaty does coach them. But they are, and always will be, a secondary rival and NOT our main, #1 rival.

    And it's fun to taunt their fans that they are not our rival, too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukebluelemur View Post
    How does that work? That dorky little kid two grades below who picks his nose at recess doesn't become your friend by following you around all the time like a sick puppy when you repeatedly tell him not to. A relationship takes two.
    It's more like when your wife asks if she looks fat in her dress. If she asks a million times, quack quack.

    Edit: that the generic "your wife".
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    "Look at me! I'm important!"

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    I you spend time debating if they are a rivalry, they are a rivalry.

    We are talking about UNC aren't we?

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    The best analogy I can think of for Maryland would be one of those misfit kids with some anger issues who decides he's got an issue with one of the honor roll kids. The honor roll kid is in student government, gets on well with the teachers, and doesn't have any particular issue with misfit anger-management kid. But misfit anger-management kid starts bumping him in the hallway, saying crap to his girlfriend, keying his car, until finally honor roll kid can't help but start paying attention to anger-management kid.

    Basically, what I'm saying is that Maryland has made themselves special, despite being only intermittently in competitive with us on the court, by being SO FREAKING ANNOYING. We probably wouldn't take any more pleasure in beating them than we do beating any other ACC team, except that their fans are so obnoxious that, sooner or later, you find yourself getting in the mud to wrestle with them.

    In 2000-2002 Maryland was a legitimate rival on the court. The 4 games we played in the 2000-2001 season were epic. Since then, Maryland has only been remarkable for leading the ACC in cars burned, obnoxious behavior, and Duke hating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rthomas View Post
    It's more like when your wife asks if she looks fat in her dress. If she asks a million times, quack quack.

    Edit: that the generic "your wife".
    Eh? So if I go around telling people I'm the President, eventually I will be? Repeating something often enough doesn't make it true.

    Yes I feel somewhat differently about beating Maryland than even some other schools, but its a sense of satisfaction at inflicting misery on people I dislike, not a pride in overcoming a hated but respected opponent (what I feel is a real rivalry).

    And SCMatt, I think that's only because Maryland has, of late, been better than those teams. If Clemson were to win a NC, have a couple good tourney runs, and beat some really good Duke teams, I think you would see Duke fans start to anticipate those games at the same level of the Maryland games. Which isn't to say that we would feel the same about clemson fans, who are very nice people (I married one). In the early 2000s, there were some pretty good Wake teams, good enough that they were picked as secondary tenting games. There was, as you said, a rivalry there, based on the quality of the opposition. Obviously, that has disappeared lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukeimac View Post
    I you spend time debating if they are a rivalry, they are a rivalry.
    What is with the bizzare, irrational logic in this thread? Crystal Mangum approves of your rationale. The existence of a disagreement proves nothing but that there is a disagreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukebluelemur View Post
    Eh? So if I go around telling people I'm the President, eventually I will be? Repeating something often enough doesn't make it true.
    What you are saying has absolutely nothing to do with what I am saying.

    PS. If Wikipedia says it, it must be true. lol.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College...#ACC_rivalries
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukebluelemur View Post
    What is with the bizzare, irrational logic in this thread? Crystal Mangum approves of your rationale. The existence of a disagreement proves nothing but that there is a disagreement.
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    my take on the non-rivalry

    Recent head-to-head
    Duke is 3-3 against UNC and 6-1 against Maryland in the last three seasons. Duke is 34-35 against UNC under Coach K. Duke is 48-21 against Maryland under Coach K.

    National Prominence
    Titles - UNC has five NCAA titles, and Duke has four. Maryland has one.
    Final Fours - UNC has been to 18 Final Fours, and Duke has been to 15 Final Fours. Maryland has been to two.
    NPOY - Historically, UNC claims ten NPOY winners. Duke has nine. Maryland has one. As for Naismith Award winners, Duke has 7 NPOY, UNC has 3 NPOY, and Maryland has 1 NPOY. If you want to use Wooden Awards instead, Duke has 5, UNC has 4, Maryland has 0.

    ACC Dominance
    Duke has 18 ACC championships. UNC has 17. Maryland has 3 (only two in the last half century).

    Rosters
    I know the name of every recruited player on the UNC roster, as well as the collective name of all the walk-ons (Blue Steel). I had to look at ESPN this morning to figure out who (besides Jordan Williams) is on the Maryland roster. Maybe other fans are different, but I think my relative levels of interest is somewhat telling (albeit merely anecdotal).

    Recruiting
    Similarly, I also know the name of every current high school player who has committed to UNC (including the newest one, Marcus "Lil Woody" Paige). I can't think of a single player committed to Maryland or know anyone whom they are in the running for. We regularly compete head-to-head with UNC as finalists for high school recruits, triumphantly winning some and dejectedly losing out on others. But how many recruits have we lost to Maryland? None recently that I can think of. How many players even consider both schools as finalists???


    No, I do not consider Maryland a rival at all. They had a very good run a decade ago, and they are coached well enough to make most games a challenge, but the only reason I cherish a victory over Maryland more than one over Clemson or GT is that it silences the annoying, immature Terp fans for a little while. But it's still no comparison to UNC for me.
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    I think El Diablo hit the nail on the head as far as disputing the article written by the Twerp student/fan who said the Duke v. MD games have been more competitive lately than the UNC games.

    As sophomoric as some 'Holes fans can be there is nothing quite like a Twerp to bring it to a new low. Whether it's the 'This Is Why You S--k' video (which I thought was funny and not typical of the average smack coming out of CP), the claim a couple of years back that some fans pulled a fire alarm and cranked called the Duke hotel in CP, or worst of all the MD grad who showed up on the HBO - Tobacco Road special claiming that all Duke fans are 'F'n Dorks' - it just seems like they have a bully attitude towards Duke.

    Not to sound elitist, but they are not on the same level as us as far as wit and humor in 'dissing' a rival team, and I think this is why our fans shrug them off and don't take them seriously. Anyone can curse and use sexual slurs, violence and profanity to get attention (not the kind you want on national TV when the student sections curses in unison) and to try and get under another team's skin. It takes a little more thought to really, really get to someone.

    I love when we beat MD for the same reason as so many others on here: It's not that I know a bunch of MD fans who would trash me for a season like all my UNC fans, it's more that I know there are a bunch of TO'd students and grads who if they beat Duke would stick out their chests for a year and claim to have won a big rivalry game.

    For me it all comes down to the dissappointed look on their fans faces and the fear of any store owner near their campus when they lose and decide to riot and burn things to feel better about themselves. With UNC, our true rival, it's all about a whole year of ribbing and joking about the other team who lost the game.

    There is a lot to hate with MD, from their fans, their players, their fans, administration, Gary, and the fans...I just don't get the satisfaction out of beating them that I do with UNC. I would put MD on the same level with VTech as far as me just simply not liking their sports teams and seeing it as a good versus evil matchup.

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    why the md game in early january?

    for a long time now, the duke-md games have been scheduled in early feb and early march, i.e. around the same time as the unc games. in fact, espn has shown many of these late season games during "rivalry week," "showdown week," or whatever it's called. to me, this marketing has perpetuated the false notion that duke and md are "rivals." (if espn says we're rivals, it must be true, right?) . . .

    but this year, i notice that we play md in the beginning of jan and the beginning of feb. why the change? why would we NOT be playing our "rivals" in the first week of march?

    i bring this up b/c i have not heard any discussion regarding this change in scheduling. the writer of this article (the one dbr linked to) certainly doesn't bring it up, as it would run counter to his thesis.

    so maybe i've missed this discussion, but when i first looked at our 2010-11 schedule, the very first observation i made was a sarcastic "what happened to our rival md? we're playing them at the same time we would play any other team in the league."

    thoughts???

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLT Devil View Post
    ...and the fear of any store owner near their campus when they lose and decide to riot and burn things to feel better about themselves.
    Is this really true? I mean, seriously, they riot when they win, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davekay1971 View Post

    Basically, what I'm saying is that Maryland has made themselves special, despite being only intermittently competitive with us on the court, by being SO FREAKING ANNOYING. We probably wouldn't take any more pleasure in beating them than we do beating any other ACC team, except that their fans are so obnoxious that, sooner or later, you find yourself getting in the mud to wrestle with them.

    In 2000-2002 Maryland was a legitimate rival on the court. The 4 games we played in the 2000-2001 season were epic. Since then, Maryland has only been remarkable for leading the ACC in cars burned, obnoxious behavior, and Duke hating.

    Nailed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    Agreed. I was looking for the pancake bunny photo but couldn't find it. -- sagegrouse
    I always understand what you're talking about, but here it is for your future use.

    I think having MD twice on the schedule permanently(?) has perpetuated the notion among MD fans, and perhaps others that they are one of Duke's ACC rivals.
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    Mutual respect is an important element in a rivalry - as much as I detest baby blue, I have a lot of respect for the whole institution of UNC basketball, which is one reason why it means so much to beat them.

    That same respect isn't there for Maryland's program for me. Being incredibly disrespectful and classless may make someone dislike you, but it won't make them respect you.

    Although unfortunately, they are designated one of our two official "rivals" by ACC if they want to get technical...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_Newton View Post
    Mutual respect is an important element in a rivalry - as much as I detest baby blue, I have a lot of respect for the whole institution of UNC basketball, which is one reason why it means so much to beat them.

    That same respect isn't there for Maryland's program for me. Being incredibly disrespectful and classless may make someone dislike you, but it won't make them respect you.
    Well said. Maryland fans have done themselves a great disservice by apparently equating maliciousness and (at times) downright stupidity with the basis of a true rivalry. Without the respect that I have for the UNC program (no matter how much I dislike it) that rivalry wouldn't mean as much.

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