I get miffed when people contend that, since the Bulls didn't win it all after MJ left, he was the only reason they won. First, they came damn close to making the finals the year after MJ left, one controversial foul call in game 7 as I recall. But, second, if instead of just subtracting MJ you replace him with the second best player in the league at his position (which IMO was Reggie Miller at the time), that team wins another championship. MJ was a great player but the hype on him was and is way out of control.
ETA: These stories about Chris are really surprising and distressing to me. He's always been one of my favorites.
Now THAT sounds like a Jerry Krause trade (wonder how much the statue contributes toward the cap)?
"What am i doing in a state of consciousness where THIS is real?"
I saw practically every Bulls home game during the Jordan years. IMO, no way any of those Bulls teams win a championship with pretty much anyone but Jordan at the helm. Pippen was the player that was overrated, not Jordan. He is part of a long line of players that were fantastic with the Bulls, and somehow stunk when they left Chicago, or before they arrived in Chicago. (Among others, Steve Kerr, Craig Hodges, Horace Grant, Scott Williams...)
Reggie Love (his soph yr roommate) was much crazier (you may remember how he rejoined the bball team as a 5th yr senior then was benched towards the end of the year b/c of an incident at UNC...)
Count me in as one of the people who attended Duke during Duhon's years. I do not know if his drinking was more excessive than the average frat boy's intake but he certainly had a reputation as a heavy drinker and fair or not, basketball players were held to a different standard.
FYI, I saw him play beirut (beer pong) a few times, and he was GOOD. Hearing some of these stories though makes me wonder if Chris has changed since college. In college, drinking is considered OK. If you drink in the real world like some of us did in college, that's considered alcoholism (and for good reason). I do hope Chris has toned it down a bit and it's not as bad as some people are speculating.
Lance "Breakout" Thomas
Another Duhon contemporary here. Yes, Chris could put away a lot of alcohol. No, I don't remember ever seeing or hearing about him overdoing it, at least by college standards.
If he still enjoys partying, good for him. He's 24, has a great job, and acts as a leader & role model in many ways. Better a little alky than the hard drugs & unsafe sex known to plague other highly successful young people.
It does happen with some teams. For example, those playing on San Antonio have over the years benefitted from playing with Dave Robinson, and now with Tim Duncan. His character is not shaped by his success on the court, and it seems that those who are successful on the Spurs have bought into the "team first" mentality. I'm not sure that would be the result of any mentoring done by Kobe Bryant.
To be completely honest, I am not sure how the combo of Deng and Kobe would shake out. I do know the outside of Shaq, Kobe has not played with another player with the talent and upside of Deng. It is that factor that I am willing to explore the opportunity of Deng blossoming under the tutelage of Kobe.
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My sister lives in Chicago and occasionally hangs out at the shee-shee (sp?) velvet rope places I'd never be caught dead in. Anyway she sees Chris out a bunch. Chris is a fixture on the Chicago social scene these days -- especially after hours. Nothing untoward, or to be ashamed of, it's just that he likes to have a good time and Chicago is a great place to have a good time, especially if you have money.
Yes, it would be better if it didn't effect his day job. But he's not running with a sketchy entourage, doesn't have his name on the door of a secret room at a strip club, not brandishing firearms or getting DUIs or anything else. If sleeping through practice is his worst offense, well, let's just say a lot of us have probably been guilty of worse infractions in our day jobs caused by our evening lifestyle when in our early to mid 20s.
Out of everyone I could think of, Lamar was the one I was questionable on.
I personally feel Deng will have a better or more high profile career than Lamar and that is not a knock on Lamar by any means. The only negative with Lamar is that out of his 3 seasons with Kobe, he only played 1 full season. He missed significant time in the other 2 seasons due to injuries. I just feel Deng is a better player.
And MJ was mediocre with the Wizards, so he didn't do too well outside of Chicago, either. But that's a bit unfair, I guess, since the expectations were different at that point. And he was a horrible front office guy.
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