Just off the top of my head, I think our NPOY candidates in the last 10 years have been:
Kyle Singler (Perimeter Oriented Years)
Shelden's best years were still overshadowed by JJ;
and McBob may have been the best player on the team, but is still used as a major negative recruiting tactic by our competitors. eg, "#1 recruit in country ruined by Coach K's system"
So if I were a recruit, it would depend on my skills. If I thought I could score in the low post against a tough schedule, you bet I'd view Duke as an opportunity. How nice would it be to get a pass in the paint and see Dawkins, Rivers, Curry, and Kelly camped outside?
It's really hard to argue that we emphasize the post as much as some other teams do. That's not a knock on our style of play, because we've clearly been successful with it. But if you're a back-to-the-basket scorer, it's something that you probably are going to ponder in your choice of schools: do I go to a place that makes it a point to work the ball inside, or do I go to a place that isn't afraid to keep it on the perimeter if they don't have NBA-level elite big man?
And it's not just a case of landing DeMarcus Cousins and Anthony Davis-type talents - Markieff Morris, for example, was the #12 PF in the class and a scrawny 6'8 kid who wasn't much of an athlete when he arrived. Robinson was the #9 PF without much muscle or any semblance of a post game.
Lastly, I imagine Lawrence is the time of your life if you're the BMOC.
Not only that, the NPOY award hardly ever goes to big men. Here are the Naismith award winners since Elton Brand won it:
Just three centers (Bogut, Hansbrough, and Griffin) out of 12. And none of these guys went to Kansas or Kentucky or Ohio State (and Griffin's coach works for us now).Code:2000 Kenyon Martin Cincinnati Forward 2001 Shane Battier Duke Forward 2002 Jason Williams Duke Guard 2003 T. J. Ford Texas Guard 2004 Jameer Nelson Saint Joseph's Guard 2005 Andrew Bogut Utah Center 2006 J. J. Redick Duke Guard 2007 Kevin Durant Texas Forward 2008 Tyler Hansbrough UNC Forward 2009 Blake Griffin Oklahoma Forward 2010 Evan Turner Ohio State Guard 2011 Jimmer Fredette BYU Guard
So I'm not sure how much NPOY candidates add to this debate.
And unfortunately just as relevant than even the 20 year window is the same estimate over the past 5 years (since that's as far back as some of these guys will reasonably care). We've had none in the past 5 years. OSU has had 3-4. Kansas has had 4. UNC has had 7. Kentucky has had 6.
It's simply not accurate to say we've emphasized post offense to the degree that some of the other elite programs have - either over the years or (especially) recently. We've seemed to try to change things this year to be a more balanced team. But even then, we're still just achieving balance rather than really being post focused.
As for the rest of the post, earlier in the thread you stated "I don't understand why coaches wouldn't talk about their past success with players. I mean, in the past 4 years, Bill Self (with a massive assist from big-man coach Danny Manning) has put Darrel Arthur, Brandon Rush, Darnell Jackson, Sasha Kaun*, Cole Aldrich, and the Morris brothers in the NBA as front line players." I took that to mean that you were crediting Self and Manning with developing these players, having started with not a whole lot and turned them into "front line" NBA players, by which I thought you meant as synonymous with "top notch." Maybe you instead meant "front line" in terms of positions on the court -- Kansas's front line -- but then why include Brandon Rush, who is/was a shooting guard?
Don't get me wrong -- I agree with you and others on this thread that Kansas has more consistently focused its offense on inside play, or at least trying to go inside first, than has Duke in the most recent years. But I don't think it's entirely accurate to say that the Kansas staff started out with lumps of clay and turned them into NBA players. Checking the Scout ratings, unless I'm misreading them, Arthur was rated the #2 recruit in the nation in 2006. In 2003 Kaun was #6 and Jackson was #15. In 2007 Aldrich was #7. The Morris twins were lower in 2008, in particular Markieff. But these guys were all rated as pretty good-to-excellent prospects entering college.
As for your second question, I posted one of many examples earlier in this thread. That's not only being disrespectful, it's straight-up calling Coach K a liar. (Excerpt: [Interviewer: So you're paying attention to what they do, rather than what they're telling you?] "Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know what schools "do work" and what schools [don't]. You know if a school has 36 years of experience and has like 4 bigs, you know that's not what they do.")
rsci, which is a decent consensus view, going back to the Darnell Jackson-Sasha Kaun class, you get:
Kaun - 43
Jackson - 68
Arthur - 11
Aldrich - 21
McMorris - 63
MkMorris - 67
Robinson - 28
Withey - 27
Now, the Morris twins had a fairly circuitous route to KU and were fifth-year preppers, which affected their rankings somewhat, but they were also really raw when they arrived. With Robinson and even Withey pending, all were drafted. All but Kaun, who's making jack in his home country of Russia, playing for the top team there, have played in the NBA. That's a pretty good run of getting big guys into the league. Clearly, KU isn't taking trash and turning it into lotto picks, but it's a good resume to show kids that you will progress. You will be showcased. You will get a chance at the next level.
Anyway, interesting discussion throughout the thread.
As great as Brand was coming in, he was THIRD on the team in scoring as a freshman. As a sophomore he did lead the team but just barely, scoring 17.7 to Trajan's 17.3 (I do recognize that he dealt with a major injury that season). Boozer never led his team in scoring, nor did Shelden.
An argument could be made that those players all had great players around them, but Parker would have experienced, potential future NBA-level guards around him too. He'd have Curry and Dawkins sniping from the outside, Cook and Thornton controlling the ball, and Suliamon working his way into the rotation. On top of that, Austin and Mason might return. So it is highly unlikely IMO that he would be the focal point of the offense.