1. The 'Thomas Robinson' stuff is a little weird, it's not like he walked on campus as a lottery pick. He averaged 2 points and 7 minutes a game as a freshman, 7 points and 14 minutes as a sophomore, until he blossomed this year (not coincidental that the Morris Bros and Cole Aldrich are now in the NBA). He always had a NBA-ready body, but as a KU fan, watching him catch the ball his first 1.5 years was both exciting and scary-as-hell. You either got a crazy powerful dunk or a pass off a cheerleader's face. His growth as a player has been astronomical. He deserves credit for maturing and being coachable.
2. I don't understand why coaches wouldn't talk about their past success with players. I mean, in the past 4 years, Bill Self (with a massive assist from big-man coach Danny Manning) has put Darrel Arthur, Brandon Rush, Darnell Jackson, Sasha Kaun*, Cole Aldrich, and the Morris brothers in the NBA as front line players. Oh yea, they won a national championship too. Thomas Robinson and Jeff Withey will surely join them in the next two years. Does Bill Self actively say that? I don't know, I kinda doubt it, but I'm sure recruits hear it somewhere. I wouldn't begrudge Duke coaches for talking up Kyrie Irving, for example.
* Kaun was drafted by the Cavs, but decided to play in Russia.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1162597.html There have been a ton of other not-so subtle jabs, like this:Hmmm, which coach who's recruiting him happens to have exactly 36 years of experience?"A school isn't gonna change what they do. A coach isn't gonna change what they do. [Interviewer: So you're paying attention to what they do, rather than what they're telling you?] "Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know what schools "do work" and what schools [don't]. You know if a school has 36 years of experience and has like 4 bigs, you know that's not what they do, and they're trying to change it or something... [shakes head]"
I don't blame recruits for going elsewhere, but the kid's been consistently disrespectful of K and the program in his comments. I don't think anyone close to the program feels great about their relationship right now.
Darrell Arthur has averaged 7 points per game in his two years in the league, prior to missing this whole season with an injury. That stat alone shows you what an awesome job KU does in developing its bigs. But then what about:
Darnell Jackson: he averaged 3 points in 138 games over 3 years before heading for the Ukraine, where he's playing now. Who wouldn't want to be developed to have the same type of pro success as Darnell?
Sasha Kaun: he wisely spurned Duke in order to enroll at KU, which has resulted not in an NBA career, but one in Russia.
Cole Aldrich: 31 games over 2 years as a sub for Oklahoma City, playing mainly when other guys get hurt. Career average of 2.5 ppg. Now that's an impact player.
Markieff Morris is averaging 20 minutes a night off of Phoenix's bench. Nice rookie year so far.
Marcus Morris: he's back from the D-league, and riding serious pine for Houston.
Seriously, this is the kind of big man development that Kansas is selling? There's one guy having any impact at all. This record is what would persuade a high school big man that Kansas is the place for him? Considering he also has to convince them to move to Lawrence, Kansas, that Bill Self must be some salesman.
Also sent McRoberts, Shav and Lance to the NBA since Shelden graduated. He's obviously wrong, but he was also obviously talking about our coach there.
Did somebody forget about the Chief? Cherokee Parks, 6-11. 240. Graduated in 1995. Played 8 years in the NBA for various teams after being drafted in the 1st round (12th overall pick) that year. Not an especially outstanding career, but that can be said about any number of big men. The main point is the 8-years (OK, 7+) in the League. He had his moments and a few years of being solid.
Well known for frightening small children with his tattoos. (OK, I made up the children part.)
Don't know what else the Coaching Staff could have done to recruit TP. Best of luck to him.
Anyway, my guess is that the Staff has moved on. I think Jefferson will be a better fit in the end anyway. He's a much more versatile player. Sometimes things work out for a reason.
If coach feels good enough to recruit him, I am confident that he would be an asset to the team.
If he chooses to go somewhere else, so be it. We get more than our share.
Either way, good luck to the kid in making the best choice for him. Hope it's here, but no sour grapes if it's not.
Eat Mor Jonny.
Yes, Laettner, Ferry, and Brand were all amazing, but with the exception of Brand, they were face-up, outside-in Forwards. From what little I know of Tony, he's more of a low-block scorer.
It's gonna be tough to convince one of those guys to come to Duke when you've got programs like Kansas, UNC, etc. telling them how many 3's we tend to launch.
To call Tony wishy-washy is a bit judgmental b/c once again you're asking a teenager to make a business/college/future decision based on more than mere academics. Even as a grown man, I know I really like the Ferrari but that new Lambo has got me really thinking hard about which to get first. But I can't lose - feel me?
As a personal testament, with full scholarships in hand from Duke, NC State, UNC, and pretty much every other school in N.C., I chose to attend N.C. A&T. Why? The women man! The women... (additionally Duke's eng school was nothing to brag about at the time while NC State and A&T were doing NASA stuff, and NC State has probably the most boring student life I've ever experienced. Plus I just HAD to get out of Durham, the pond had become too small for me).
I dismissed Tuskegee when they told me the closest mall was an hour and a half away and there was no co-ed visitation. Morehouse didn't have engineering - or females. No way my mom was letting me move to ATL anyway so Georgia Tech was also out of the picture. It was cold at MIT. Cal-Poly was too far. So on and so forth. So what's TP's deal breaker? None of us know that. And perhaps, of the last 6 schools, no one has found it either.
And as far as Tony's father goes, we all should be able to recall how a school's former player can turn the tide for a student AND his parents. This is normally not a solo decision - remember when the kid chose Alabama right in front of his LSU momma? Yeah - they are probably still talking about that decision TODAY. Obviously, Coach K is pretty good with dads or maybe you haven't seen any of our games lately. I'm not so sure Larry Brown seals the deal.
From talking to TP - he's a very agreeable young man. Doesn't talk a lot (except on the court) and my impression is that he absorbs what he hears from the colleges he likes - and of course, all of it sounds good.
Me? I was looking for the party. But Tony is looking for hoop dreams. Undergrad is a lot like marrying a woman though - you only get to do them one at a time. Choose wisely.
Last edited by SupaDave; 02-28-2012 at 09:38 AM.
Wow, I'm just now realizing that SuperDave and SupaDave are two different people. Sorry guys!
Kansas and other programs might not be producing a bunch of NBA studs in the post, but they have a bunch of very recent examples in which their bigs were the primary stars on the team. Over the past 4-5 years (the time when he would really paying attention to players are similar to him) Parker has seen players have big-time stats for those schools. That hasn't been the case at Duke for the most part. That appears to matter to some recruits.
For reference, over the past 5 years, our scoring leaders have been as follows:
2012: Top 4 scorers are perimeter-oriented* players (top post scorer averages 10.7 ppg)
2011: Top 5 scorers were perimeter players (top post scorer averaged 7.2 ppg)
2010: Top 3 scorers were perimeter players (top post scorer averaged 5.6 ppg)
2009: Top 4 scorers were perimeter-oriented* players (top post scorer averaged 5.3 ppg)
2008: Top 7 scorers were perimeter-oriented* players (top post scorer averaged 4.3 ppg)
Note: for the purposes of this analysis I listed Kelly and Singler (years 1 and 2) as perimeter-oriented scorers. They play/played post positions defensively, but they did the majority of their scoring work from the outside in. As such, I suspect guys like Parker don't view them as post scorers.
To teenagers on the recruiting trail, I don't think the reputation that "Duke just shoots a bunch of 3s" is really a myth. Until this year, we've been very much a perimeter-oriented offensive attack for the entirety of these kid's formative years. And even this year, where we've made a more serious effort to play through the post, the offense is still, at best, balanced (which is the level of depth at which these guys are probably looking).
Last edited by CDu; 02-28-2012 at 09:49 AM.
I would have to say I was never impressed with Parker....moving on.
A bad idea? Maybe. A good idea? Probably not. But an idea nonetheless
Granted, these reasons might be especially flaky, though it all worked out okay (I'm proud to say she is a Duke grad!). But kids may be looking for a lot of things beyond basketball, and even with basketball, I'm sure some of it comes down to intangibles--a feeling about the coaches, or the teammates, or the place that can't really be articulated or defined.