2010-11 Pre-Season All-Americans

[tommy]

Not that Pre-Season All-Americans matter much, but it's July, two of our major remaining 2011 recruiting targets don't seem ready to make decisions anytime soon, so what the hey. It's slow.

Seems to me that Singler is a lock for first team, and really I'd be pretty surprised if Nolan wasn't on there too. I checked the end-of-season AP All-American teams from last year, and all 15 players on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teams have taken their talents to the NBA, or are at least trying to. Nobody's left.

Who else are the candidates for first team? Lacedarius Dunn I think is a lock. Jacob Pullen of K-State should have a good chance. He was very tough in the tournament and a lot of people saw him come up very big in some big games there. Kailin Lucas, depending on the achilles? Robbie Hummel, depending on the knee? Malcolm Delaney? Who else?

And Duke surely must've had seasons past in which we've had 2 guys on pre-season A-A, right?

[MisterRoddy]

Not that Pre-Season All-Americans matter much, but it's July, two of our major remaining 2011 recruiting targets don't seem ready to make decisions anytime soon, so what the hey. It's slow.

Seems to me that Singler is a lock for first team, and really I'd be pretty surprised if Nolan wasn't on there too. I checked the end-of-season AP All-American teams from last year, and all 15 players on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teams have taken their talents to the NBA, or are at least trying to. Nobody's left.

Who else are the candidates for first team? Lacedarius Dunn I think is a lock. Jacob Pullen of K-State should have a good chance. He was very tough in the tournament and a lot of people saw him come up very big in some big games there. Kailin Lucas, depending on the achilles? Robbie Hummel, depending on the knee? Malcolm Delaney? Who else?

And Duke surely must've had seasons past in which we've had 2 guys on pre-season A-A, right?

I think Kyle and Nolan are shoo-ins for First team. Dunn also will probably get a spot. I think if VT is a comfortable Top 25 team, Delaney has a chance.

If Jared Sullinger is all he's cracked up to be, he might have a shot.

Some sleepers who have a shot at being All Americans: Jajuan Johnson, Marcus Morris, Will Buford, Kyrie Irving, Harrison Barnes, Jimmer Fredette, E'twuan Moore, Demetri McCamey, Tracey Smith.

[RoyalBlue08]

And Duke surely must've had seasons past in which we've had 2 guys on pre-season A-A, right?

Off the top of my head (and being too lazy to look anything up), I'm sure JJ and Shelden were pre-season AA their senior years. And we probably had more than two in 2002 (or at least we should have!)

[Wander]

I think Kyle and Nolan are shoo-ins for First team. Dunn also will probably get a spot. I think if VT is a comfortable Top 25 team, Delaney has a chance.

Nolan isn't a lock for 1st team - remember, Delaney finished significantly higher than him in ACC voting last year - but it's possible, and he certainly won't be left off the teams altogether.

Pullen, Singler, and probably Dunn are locks for the preseason 1st team. After that I'd guess Hummel and Mack, but it's up in the air.

[MisterRoddy]

Nolan isn't a lock for 1st team - remember, Delaney finished significantly higher than him in ACC voting last year - but it's possible, and he certainly won't be left off the teams altogether.

Pullen, Singler, and probably Dunn are locks for the preseason 1st team. After that I'd guess Hummel and Mack, but it's up in the air.

Why would you think Pullen is a lock and Nolan isn't, that makes no sense to me. Nolan stepped up his game monstrously last year and I expect another step up this year (especially since he won't have to conserve energy since we actually have depth this year). Duke will be at the top of the rankings all year and Nolan being one of the top players on the team will definitely help his stock in being first team All American, in which I think he would have a good chance anyway.

[Kedsy]

Why would you think Pullen is a lock and Nolan isn't, that makes no sense to me.

Nobody is a lock to be first team All American. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Cameron]

Heading into the 2001-02 season, I believe Jason Williams and Mike Dunleavy were first team All-American selections in the pre-season. Carlos Boozer was right there on the pre-season lists as well, although I'm not sure which one.

[Wander]

Nobody is a lock to be first team All American. We'll just have to wait and see.

Well, my comment only applies to preseason teams - and Singler is definitely a lock for preseason 1st team.

Why would you think Pullen is a lock and Nolan isn't, that makes no sense to me. Nolan stepped up his game monstrously last year and I expect another step up this year (especially since he won't have to conserve energy since we actually have depth this year). Duke will be at the top of the rankings all year and Nolan being one of the top players on the team will definitely help his stock in being first team All American, in which I think he would have a good chance anyway.

Nolan is excellent. So is Pullen. They may both be there. But I expect that if only one of them makes the preseason 1st team, it will be Pullen - mostly due to the "MVP factor" (Kansas State needs him a lot more than Duke needs Nolan). He was also arguably the best player in the NCAA tournament last year through the first four rounds. Nolan will be on one of the teams for sure though.

[MisterRoddy]

Nobody is a lock to be first team All American. We'll just have to wait and see.

Yes, we are talking about Pre-Season.

Nolan is excellent. So is Pullen. They may both be there. But I expect that if only one of them makes the preseason 1st team, it will be Pullen - mostly due to the "MVP factor" (Kansas State needs him a lot more than Duke needs Nolan). He was also probably the best player in the NCAA tournament last year through the first four rounds. Nolan will be on one of the teams for sure though.

You make a good argument, I just don't think that Pullen is a lock and Nolan isn't, they are both great players that have a great shot at the first team, Nolan being one of the top options on last years National Champion helps his case, Pullen being the number one on his team helps his.

[flyingdutchdevil]

Yes, we are talking about Pre-Season.



You make a good argument, I just don't think that Pullen is a lock and Nolan isn't, they are both great players that have a great shot at the first team, Nolan being one of the top options on last years National Champion helps his case, Pullen being the number one on his team helps his.

I just don't see 2 players from the same team being 1st team pre-season All-Americans. The last time this happened on any team was 2005-2006 with Redick and Shelden. Even two years ago, with that ridiculously talented UNC team, Lawson was a 2nd team pre-season All-American. The problem is that talented players on a talented team often cancel each other out. While unfair, it's just the way that the voters view it. They see Nolan as the second-best player on a ridiculously talented team but feel that 1st bananas on other good teams, even if less talented than Nolan, deserve to be on the 1st team.

Personally, I agree with you - Nolan deserves 1st team pre-season honors. But I would be pleasantly surprised if that actually happened.

[airowe]

Here's Dickie V's take on the All-Americans:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/dickv...ory?id=5382688

[superdave]

I have never been that impressed by Robbie Hummel. He seems like a slightly better version of Joe Trapagni. Their conference is weak and he is not the type of guy to carry a team against tough competition. I dont see it...

[Big Pappa]

If Jared Sullinger is all he's cracked up to be, he might have a shot.

Some sleepers who have a shot at being All Americans: Jajuan Johnson, Marcus Morris, Will Buford, Kyrie Irving, Harrison Barnes, Jimmer Fredette, E'twuan Moore, Demetri McCamey, Tracey Smith.

I think by the end of the year Sullinger, KI, and certainly HB will be in the running for All-American. The only one who is hyped (and in the right position on his team) enough to be a Preseason AA pick is HB. I think the first team will look like this:

Lacedarius Dunn - Baylor
Jimmer Fredette - BYU
Kyle Singler - Duke
Malcolm Delaney - Va Tech
Robbie Hummel - Purdue

2nd Team:

Nolan Smith - Duke
Harrison Barnes - UNC
Jacob Pullen - Kansas State
Kalin Lucas - Mich. State
JuJaun Johnson - Purdue

[roywhite]

I think by the end of the year Sullinger, KI, and certainly HB will be in the running for All-American. The only one who is hyped (and in the right position on his team) enough to be a Preseason AA pick is HB. I think the first team will look like this:

Lacedarius Dunn - Baylor
Jimmer Fredette - BYU
Kyle Singler - Duke
Malcolm Delaney - Va Tech
Robbie Hummel - Purdue

2nd Team:

Nolan Smith - Duke
Harrison Barnes - UNC
Jacob Pullen - Kansas State
Kalin Lucas - Mich. State
JuJaun Johnson - Purdue

Seems reasonable, but that's not much size on the first two teams. Johnson would be the only inside player of the bunch.

Any other big guys out there who could break into the mix?

Kanter maybe?

[airowe]

I think by the end of the year Sullinger, KI, and certainly HB will be in the running for All-American. The only one who is hyped (and in the right position on his team) enough to be a Preseason AA pick is HB.

Welcome back, Big Pappa!

I'm curious as to what you mean by your statement in parentheses "and in the right position on his team". I think Barnes' position (small forward) will be the major impediment to him putting up All-American numbers. Roy's system does not feature the small forward like K's ever-changing system often does. Because of that, I like Singler's chances for at least 1st team All-American, if not the player of the year.

I agree with most others on here that Pullen, Dunn, Singler, and Nolan Smith will finish on one of the Top 2 teams. Hummel and Kalin Lucas' injuries make me wary of placing them on that pedestal this early. Especially Lucas with his achilles heel, that thing could bother him all year.

[jimrowe0]

Welcome back, Big Pappa!

I'm curious as to what you mean by your statement in parentheses "and in the right position on his team". I think Barnes' position (small forward) will be the major impediment to him putting up All-American numbers. Roy's system does not feature the small forward like K's ever-changing system often does. Because of that, I like Singler's chances for at least 1st team All-American, if not the player of the year.

I agree with most others on here that Pullen, Dunn, Singler, and Nolan Smith will finish on one of the Top 2 teams. Hummel and Kalin Lucas' injuries make me wary of placing them on that pedestal this early. Especially Lucas with his achilles heel, that thing could bother him all year.

I agree, however I think that Roy will try to run their offensive sets likely through Barnes. So, I do think Barnes will make 2nd or 3rd team All-American.

[CDu]

Welcome back, Big Pappa!

I'm curious as to what you mean by your statement in parentheses "and in the right position on his team". I think Barnes' position (small forward) will be the major impediment to him putting up All-American numbers. Roy's system does not feature the small forward like K's ever-changing system often does. Because of that, I like Singler's chances for at least 1st team All-American, if not the player of the year.

I agree with most others on here that Pullen, Dunn, Singler, and Nolan Smith will finish on one of the Top 2 teams. Hummel and Kalin Lucas' injuries make me wary of placing them on that pedestal this early. Especially Lucas with his achilles heel, that thing could bother him all year.

I still disagree with this bolded statement. I don't think Williams's system impedes or enhances any position other than the PG spot (it magnifies the PG spot). I think the bigger issue is that Williams hasn't had a ton of elite SF prospects. When he has (Paul Pierce, for example), that player thrived. But he's often only had more complementary players at the SF position. I believe that Barnes is on a short list of top recruits for Williams at the SF position.

I agree with the second paragraph. Those guys all have strong cases for making the team.

[Big Pappa]

Welcome back, Big Pappa!

I'm curious as to what you mean by your statement in parentheses "and in the right position on his team". I think Barnes' position (small forward) will be the major impediment to him putting up All-American numbers. Roy's system does not feature the small forward like K's ever-changing system often does. Because of that, I like Singler's chances for at least 1st team All-American, if not the player of the year.

I agree with most others on here that Pullen, Dunn, Singler, and Nolan Smith will finish on one of the Top 2 teams. Hummel and Kalin Lucas' injuries make me wary of placing them on that pedestal this early. Especially Lucas with his achilles heel, that thing could bother him all year.

Thanks it's good to be back.

By "position on his team" I simply meant his apparent call to carry the Heels this coming year. IMO Prince Harry will be getting the ball all over the floor and given the green light from everywhere. If their PG troubles continue I could easily see him bringing the ball up the floor. So, what I meant wasn't so much position on the floor, it was more his role on his team.

[ACCBBallFan]

Here's Dickie V's take on the All-Americans:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/dickv...ory?id=5382688

The two guys Dickie V ought to move up are Wright and Mack but being from mid majors hurts their national recognition and he already had a guy from BYU and one from Zags.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/dickv...ory?id=5364104

[airowe]

I agree, however I think that Roy will try to run their offensive sets likely through Barnes. So, I do think Barnes will make 2nd or 3rd team All-American.

I'm sorry I brought this up, and I don't want to hijack this thread. I'll just stop and say I don't think Barnes will be on the 1st or 2nd All-American Team when the season is over.