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    Duke to play MSU in ACC-Big Ten Challenge

    If this needs to be moved to a scheduling thread or whatever please do so...

    http://freep.com/article/20100506/SP...Duke-this-fall

    If this is the case, I am ECSTATIC. Being a Michigan Wolverine fan nothing would please me more than sitting front row in Cameron to watch Kyrie Irving school Kalen Lucas, and watch the Plumlees dominate whichever throwaway big man the Sparties put out there. Plus, they should be a top 5 team next year, at least in the early going before their annual collapse...

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    Well that would make two out of the three 2010 final four representatives potentially on our schedule next year....Where you at WV ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post
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    http://freep.com/article/20100506/SP...Duke-this-fall

    If this is the case, I am ECSTATIC. Being a Michigan Wolverine fan nothing would please me more than sitting front row in Cameron to watch Kyrie Irving school Kalen Lucas, and watch the Plumlees dominate whichever throwaway big man the Sparties put out there. Plus, they should be a top 5 team next year, at least in the early going before their annual collapse...

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    Awesome news! I think this year's squad needs the toughest schedule we can put together, and I think an Izzo coached team is the kind of experience we need.

    As for being a UM fan, you gotta kinda admit that UM brought this all down on themselves. Firing Tommy, great move - how's that been working out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post
    If this needs to be moved to a scheduling thread or whatever please do so...

    http://freep.com/article/20100506/SP...Duke-this-fall

    If this is the case, I am ECSTATIC. Being a Michigan Wolverine fan nothing would please me more than sitting front row in Cameron to watch Kyrie Irving school Kalen Lucas, and watch the Plumlees dominate whichever throwaway big man the Sparties put out there. Plus, they should be a top 5 team next year, at least in the early going before their annual collapse...

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    As do I! I agree with everything you said (except for the fact that I will be sitting front row...if you can help me out with that, it would be greatly appreciated )
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    Does MSU really collapse annually? It seems like they go to a lot of Final Fours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BD80 View Post
    Awesome news! I think this year's squad needs the toughest schedule we can put together, and I think an Izzo coached team is the kind of experience we need.

    As for being a UM fan, you gotta kinda admit that UM brought this all down on themselves. Firing Tommy, great move - how's that been working out?
    I love Tommy, he's one of the nicest guys in the business (my Dad and I actually met him at a hotel in Princeton, NJ while Harvard was there to play the next day, talked to us for a half hour). But he was an AWFUL coach at Michigan. For however many years he was there, Michigan's offense was essentially passing the ball around the outside for 30 seconds, then realizing they were screwed, and throwing up an awful shot or drive... again, I love the guy, but he isn't a great coach. Sorry

    And remember, UM never went to the Tourney with Tommy, but we've already made it once with Belein (or however you spell his name).
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    Quote Originally Posted by magjayran View Post
    Does MSU really collapse annually? It seems like they go to a lot of Final Fours.
    Here's the thing about MSU... every year they will either A) Overachieve in the Tournament after a disappointing regular season and reach the Final Four, or B) Tremendously underachieve for the whole year, and then get upset in the first couple of rounds. MSU rarely just makes it as far as you expect them too... they either make the Final Four or get upset early. And regardless, they do have a habit of underachieving in the regular season... remember, they were ranked NO. 2 in the polls preseason last year and barely got a 5 seed in the Tourney.
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    It should seem what he's talking about is the 'regular season collapse' of which they seem to go through every year before getting themselves ready for an end of the season run. Losing some conference games that they probably should win, there's a reason it appears to the casual basketball fan that they 'collapse' year after year. This next year MSU will be really solid, and a matchup with two out of the four other members of the 2010 final four will be awesome prep for an awesome season for Duke

    Scottdude beat me to it, but that's what their annual 'collapse' is.
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    How many non-conference home games have we won in a row now? This would be a serious test to keep that streak alive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DUKIECB View Post
    How many non-conference home games have we won in a row now? This would be a serious test to keep that streak alive!
    Oh My God, I am hyperventilating. I would love for this matchup to happen! What a game it would be!! Lucas vs. Smith/Irving. Summers vs. Singler, wow! Living in Chicago, I don't know if I'd be able to make it, but gosh darn it, I'd try like hell!

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    I really hope we get to play them next year.that wuld be an awesome matchup

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    Looks like they'll be a little depleted next year as well.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...-gaining-steam

    I'm sure people will say we got an easy bracket in the ACC/BT Challenge too. Wonder if Kalin's achilles will be healed by then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post
    I love Tommy, he's one of the nicest guys in the business (my Dad and I actually met him at a hotel in Princeton, NJ while Harvard was there to play the next day, talked to us for a half hour). But he was an AWFUL coach at Michigan. For however many years he was there, Michigan's offense was essentially passing the ball around the outside for 30 seconds, then realizing they were screwed, and throwing up an awful shot or drive... again, I love the guy, but he isn't a great coach. Sorry

    And remember, UM never went to the Tourney with Tommy, but we've already made it once with Belein (or however you spell his name).
    Since Michigan went on probation about 5 minutes after the ink dried on his contract, I can't blame Tommy - it's very hard to recruit under such a cloud. He recruited and coached well at Seton Hall, and seems to be building the Harvard program well. He was also a Duke assistant - eventually the top one - during some very, very good years: 1988-1997. I believe that period included 2 championships, 2 runner-up finishes, and 2 other Final Fours. Granted, the last 3 tailed off, ... but given the handcuffed recruiting situation at Michigan, which I understand was in effect for 4 of his 6 years, he'd have needed a cult-like following to get players.

    Did he not win the NIT in his 3rd year, despite the ranks being depleted of top recruits?

    Sorry, but I see Tommy's UM experience as the exception, not the rule, in his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post

    And remember, UM never went to the Tourney with Tommy, but we've already made it once with Belein (or however you spell his name).
    Michigan went into last season ranked #15 with returning players like Mannie Harris and Deshawn Sims. They finished up 15-17; major disappointment. Sounds like Rodriquez will not be the only Michigan coach with something to prove this coming year.

    To the MSU game, glad to hear it. Should be a good test for the Plumlees inside and some good individual matchups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post
    If this needs to be moved to a scheduling thread or whatever please do so...

    http://freep.com/article/20100506/SP...Duke-this-fall

    If this is the case, I am ECSTATIC. Being a Michigan Wolverine fan nothing would please me more than sitting front row in Cameron to watch Kyrie Irving school Kalen Lucas, and watch the Plumlees dominate whichever throwaway big man the Sparties put out there. Plus, they should be a top 5 team next year, at least in the early going before their annual collapse...

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    The annual collapse that ends with MSU in the Final Four?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdude8 View Post
    Here's the thing about MSU... every year they will either A) Overachieve in the Tournament after a disappointing regular season and reach the Final Four, or B) Tremendously underachieve for the whole year, and then get upset in the first couple of rounds. MSU rarely just makes it as far as you expect them too... they either make the Final Four or get upset early. And regardless, they do have a habit of underachieving in the regular season... remember, they were ranked NO. 2 in the polls preseason last year and barely got a 5 seed in the Tourney.
    MSU has had one season in the last 10 that could be considered a Tremendous Underachievement-2005-2006. That team was considered a Final Four favorite and was derailed all season.

    To say that MSU is an underachieving program is simply inaccurate. And to hear it from a UM fan is hilarious.

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    Now that I've stopped laughing...

    A Duke-MSU game would be a great early-season matchup. It appears the Spartans will be losing one more player-likely Chris Allen. Even without him, they'll be very good.

    It may be another season similar to this one where the best time to play MSU is early, with Lucas recovering from an Achilles injury and two impact freshman, including Adriean Payne, into the rotation.

    But that may also be the same story with the Devils, the champs retooling on the fly with Kyrie, Seth, and the other newcomers meshing with the returnees.

    Great matchup and I hope it happens.

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    With regards to Tommy, I do not doubt he is a solid coach overall, and yes he didn't have the most talent at U of M. But the fact is, the things the coach can control, like the offensive sets, weren't very good... and we had a couple seasons we should've made the tourney but late season collapses doomed us.

    And with regards to the recent stuff, I completely agree this year was a complete bust for Michigan... a lot of that was having only one or two seniors on the team, both of which were role players at best (they'll have ZERO seniors next season) and the fact that Manny Harris all but gave up on the team halfway through the year. I have faith in Belein, though... he's got his second straight solid recruiting class coming in this year too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukemsu View Post
    MSU has had one season in the last 10 that could be considered a Tremendous Underachievement-2005-2006. That team was considered a Final Four favorite and was derailed all season.

    To say that MSU is an underachieving program is simply inaccurate. And to hear it from a UM fan is hilarious.

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    I didn't quite say they were underachieving... just that they are choke artists. Hopefully that cleared things up, haha.

    In all seriousness, though, the Final Four streak is amazing, but they still only have 1 championship in that streak, not to mention the plethora of other years that were early exits. But who are we kidding, I'm incredibly biased...
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    I'm really excited about a MSU matchup.

    By the time the tourny (NCAA) gets here, this Duke team will really be battle tested, which has to be a great thing. If they get a 1 seed going into the tournament, there can't be any argument as to if they deserve it (though I'm sure criticism will come from somewhere regardless). Unlike this past year when many teams were down a bit, next year will present some improved teams on Duke's schedule. UNC (twice), N.C. State, a healthy(possibly) MSU team. Even a rematch with Butler. We're really going to see where Duke sits on the totum pole.

    By the time Duke gets to the tourny, they may have really made a case that it is their tournament to lose. The BIG target on Duke's back (for being Duke and the defending NC's) may only get bigger come tourny time, if that's even possible. I hope so!

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