As bad as I found last week's episode....this one was the polar opposite. Just an amazing hour...in my opinion. Well written, well acted, and answered a great number of questions. Even though many of the twists were easy to see coming...I still really enjoyed. The best episode to date, and there have been some pretty good eps this year.
Maybe this show will do OK after all. I do worry where they will go after this year...but tonight's episode gives me hope.
Awesome episode until...my @*#!ing dvr cut off as Peter and Syler were starting to fight - what happened next?!?
Agreed. Although I am in the minority and actually enjoyed last weeks episode, I found this episode much, much better. I like this Peter better than the normal Peter. I still want to know how he got his scar? Call me gullible, but I did not see the twist regarding President Petrelli coming. Anyway, I hope that they use this episode to finish the season up strong and finish tying up some of the loose ends that people have been questioning.
That episode was amazing. I love dystopian, post-apocalyptic parallel universes, so this was a perfect storm situation for me. I also came full circle on Peter with this one -- he has annoyed me for much of the season, but I submit. Peter is the man.
Can't wait for the last 3. What a great show. It's easily my favorite thing on TV now that Friday Night Lights is done for the season.
Also, add me to the camp that didn't mind last week's episode, but it was of course nothing compared to this one.
Well, I guess I should have seen the twist regarding Nathan coming (the hint came at the end of last week's episode).
Kinda interesting, though, why it's Sylar who needs to be killed. Is it b/c he kills Ted, attempts to use his radioactivity, then Peter absorbs the power and magnifies it? Because Peter is still the bomb.
I am not sure Sylar needs to be killed to stop the bomb. We have now learned that Peter is the bomb. Sylar may want the bomb to go off to feed his own crazniess but now that we know he is not the source of it he is not essential to it happening.
I wonder why Peter doesn't just get the heck out of New York though. I guess that would be too easy.
-Jason "I agree good episde... more comments in a moment" Evans
Evil-Parkman and his henchmen are trying to get into the room. Mohinder is holding the doorway yelling to Hiro and Ando to get back to the present. hiro keeps saying "I can't control it" and then Ando says, "I beleive in you" and they teleport back to present-day New York.
One thing I have mentioned for a while. Peter (once he has been near Hiro) and Hiro should be unstoppable in a fight. As soon as Sylar glares at them, they just freeze time and go over and kill Sylar. Fight over. The ability to freeze time is far and away the most powerful power. It is not even close. Then again, Hiro has trouble controlling time and in the previews for next week we see Sylar resisting the time-freeze. That could be a nice touch.
-Jason "I am with everyone in liking the angry Peter a lot more than the nice Peter-- his powers kicked !#^@!^ too!" Evans
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Some of us really don't like watching the previews (call it spoiler free). If you are going to comment about next week's previews - please write something like....(SPOILER ON PREVIEWS).
But agreed that Bad Peter is awesome. Syler can't die this year....he's too good a bad guy. Plus, keeping him alive makes Year 2 all about killing him.
Firstly, I feel that a great deal was answered and much of it renewed my faith in the overall storyline. After seeming like they were making stuff up as they went along, this episode steered us back to a story that makes sense.
Now we know why saving Claire did not save the world. Turns out she was always saved -- future Hiro just thought she had been killed by Sylar. So, saving her was not the answer. Of course, that means we need to know why Sylar did not die when future Hiro stabbed him. Truth be told, there is a lot we still need to figure out to know how to save the world/stop the bomb.
I would like to see more of why Parkman and the Haitian began working against their people, though I imagine this storyline will just be dropped.
Did Hiro see/figure out that Sylar is going to try to replace Nathan? I would like to see us continue down that path as it could be interesting.
--Jason "again, this answered a ton about what future-Hiro has been doing and why things have not gone as he thought they would-- best storytelling we've seen on Heroes in a while" Evans
My assumptions on the timelines are this:
Timeline 1: Syler kills Claire. Gets her power. Hiro tries to kill Syler, but he can't be killed and ends up blowing up NY City (and surviving) and then creates havoc all over. Hence the end of the world as we know it. So Hiro decides to go back in time and meets Peter on the train. This creates....
Timeline 2: This is the future we saw last night. Peter saves the cheerleader and Syler doesn't get her power. But New York still blows up. Only it is Peter this time who does it, and somehow Syler still lives (this is the part that confuses me because in this future...Syler should have been killed by Hiro, unless somehow he never fights him...it is the one gap that isn't really explained). Nonetheless, Syler lives and kills Nathan and becomes president. But future realizes that killing Syler is what must be done, and he tells past Hiro this who goes back to...
Timeline 3: Where the show will go from here. Hiro must somehow kill Syler.
Again, I hope this doesn't happen this year, because Syler rocks. My prediction - the bomb still goes off. Guess we'll see. 3 more episodes.
And I said the Haitan doesn't cancel powers. Wrong again.
I also said that Peter can't dream the future, so his dream of being the bomb must wrong. My guess is that I am wrong there, too.
At this point, I am going to assume that any and all predictions I have or will make are wrong. Please ignore the following:
We still don't know how Peter got a scar. this seems odd to me, because he saved Claire in this future-2, so should be able to heal. Presumably that is how he will explode and regenerate.
I wonder if we had some hints as to who may die at the end of the season during this episode. Conspicuously missing people:
DL (killed by Sylar b/c Sylar used his power)
Jessica (really intersting, I still don't get her power)
Nathan (killed by Sylar)
Candace (shape change girl, killed by Sylar)
Radio active man (no evidence of death, just missing)
Lindeman (curiously missing, but with a law named after him)
I think that Hiro and Ando are safe, despite Ando's predicted death in the future. Peter is evidently safe, and Claire is obviously safe - Hayden is the face of the show in the non-fanboy world. Besides, she can regenerate.
I have to agree with Jason that Hiro and Peter are extremely powerful and sometimes they play them very dumb. For example, if the Haitian negates your power, why not teleport into the perimeter of his power somewhere besides the front door of the office? Say on the same floor, but in a non-obvious spot? And when Hiro is shot, Peter would have been able to stop time as soon as he heard the shots - before the bullets it Hiro. (Incidentally, Peter evidently never meets Lindeman, because he can't heal Hiro)
There are still some lingering issues, still not a flawless show, but this episode shows to me that the writers have had clear plot lines in mind for some of the main characters. The season has been going along according to a plan, and that makes me feel better. Between Heroes and Lost, I have two nights week missing from my regular life now.
Now I'm 33, my back hurts, and I just don't care who does what in Cameron. - Throatybeard
And the comic book basically says just what I did. Future Hiro tried to kill Syler but he couldn't because Syler had killed Claire.
So he went back and warned Peter....but when he went back nothing had changed, and past Hiro was up in the loft....
So again, my only question is in Timeline 2 (where Peter did save the Chearleader), why is Syler still alive? Obviously the bomb went off because it was Peter exploding (something Hiro did not know), but if Syler did not have regeneration capabilities, how does he live when Hiro stabs him? Somehow that didn't happen in Timeline 2. But Hiro goes back to Timeline 3 to make sure it does.
Other than the fact that the show often doesn't make any sense (I don't think they're all that good at handling the issues time travel can create), I haven't seen anything to suggest that the writers intend for there to be even more time lines. Am I missing something?
I see 4 possble ways Hiro could have stabbed Sylar and seen Sylar regenerate:
1. Hiro stabbed the person who was the bomb, and he assumed that this person was Sylar but was actually Peter
2. Sylar kills Lindeman before the bomb goes off and takes his ability to heal and uses it on himself
3. There are more than 2 timelines, or 1 timeline that morphs when Hiro changes past events
4. Continuity error
Not sure which one is most likely, but I hope it is #1 or 2 as those are the least risky for the show.
Future Hiro returned to his own time and nothing changed, so he assumed that Peter failed to save Claire. Given that he still remembers stabbing Syler on some alternative timeline, he still thinks that event happened, so it sounds more "BTTF" than "BE" to me. It could be that he is incapable of changing his present, but can only affect other timelines in the past.
My head hurts. I agree with Jason. Time travel creates serious continuity problems, especially when the rules are not clear.
If you want another mind bender, try to count how many Delorians were in Hill Valley on the night of the lightening storm. My guess is below:
I came up with 4
1) Marty's from part 1
2) Old Biff from the future
3) Marty and Doc following old Biff
4) The one Doc hid in the cave.
"There can BE only one."
should represent a major advantage v. Sylar, should he ever realize what he can do...
Conversely, it will be of the utmost importance to keep the Hatian's brain securely locked in his skull...
Did we ever seen the Haitian around future-President Sylar/Nathan? If so, Sylar should have been revealed around him.
There are massive continuity errors on this show, I think, but they are doing their best to deal with them. Time travel and some of this other stuff is really difficult to weave ito the story cohesively.
-Jason "I still say Hiro's power trumps everyone else's and the show has not made him powerful enough" Evans
about the only hero we know about who is "on" at all times?
With the arguable exception of Claire, most everyone else seems to have some degree of conscious control over directing their powers. And, the fact that when the Hatian went down to Mohinder's neck-syringe, his shields droppped would argue that there's at least some conscious component to his ability. Futhermore, we know the Hatian has some discretionary power, via his ability to take some memories, and not others...