I think bringing up style points is a great point. Not much he does is pretty but he's very effective while he's in there. No way Z is going NOT going to be part of the regular rotation with the kind of production he's been providing. He's earned it.
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Edit: Well, maybe his free throw shooting, although that makes Zoub's fouls somewhat more sensible.
I would also say your statement that a 7'1" player should double/double every night is kind of silly, in light of the evidence over the years which clearly shows the vast majority of players that size don't average a double/double. Frankly, most of them don't come close.
Okay, I'll give you that. That game drove me up the wall too. My point was merely that throughout his 3+ years at Duke, Z has been a foul waiting to happen. It sucks but is true, and his constant fouling has been and continues to be why he doesn't see minutes for extended periods of time.
To the OP's statement 'he deserves more minutes' -- he can't b/c he is always in foul trouble.
My all-time team: J-Will, Dawkins, Grant Hill, Battier, & Laettner.
These are rebound numbers while averaging about 15 minutes pg.
Z does foul a lot, but I don't think one should expect him to foul LESS against Radford simply because the center is tall...
Have you considered that the "lack of aesthetically pleasing elements" may also be equated in the coaches' minds to "lack of basketball skills?" And maybe this is why Zoubek is playing only 15 minutes per game, even against weak competition and MP2 sidelined? K likes skilled and mobile players, who are not rooted to one position on the court.
Perhaps you think he should be playing much more, even with his acknowledged propensity to foul. Of course, averaging 3.5 fouls per 15 minutes of action would make it hard for even the most supportive coach to get Zoubs more than 20 MPG.
Neither LT nor Z have lived up to my own expectations, but they are what they are, and I am delighted to have their contributions. Imagine what we would have if they were not on the team.
Here are the Zoubek stats that matter most:
Charlotte - 16 minutes, 4 fouls
Radford - 14 minutes, 5 fouls
C. Carolina - 16 minutes, 2 fouls
UNCG - 16 minutes, 3 fouls
Extrapolating his stats to 35-40 minutes/game doesn't make any sense at all when he's shown no capacity to stay on the floor for more than the 15-20 he's getting.
Zoubek is a good player who is excelling in the role he's currently in. I'm pretty happy with that.
I know we like to dissect individual's numbers but when anyone person gets a rebound or foul it is due to other things on the court. The fact that someone has to keep Zoubs occupied because he is 7'1" gives our other big guys an opportunity to get rebounds and visa versa. When a guard gets beat on the perimeter the bigs have to go for the block which leads to fouls.
What I am pleased with our big men (perhaps it is due to the set-up of the defense) is that the fouls have meaning. They are when someone is near the basket. They are not the touch fouls covering someone 30 feet from the basket. Do I wish Zoubs fouled less? Of course. Am I glad that the fouls send a message close to the basket? yes.
Honest question and request:
Could someone please provide Zoubek's splits for his numbers against non-conference opponents, and his numbers against ACC competition?
I could turn out to be wrong, but what I think I have observed over Zoubek's career is that he dominates weak competition and is a matchup player at best against ACC opponents. While Zoubek's numbers have improved, most likely due to the fact he is healthy and also more experienced, it's tough for me to read too much into his statistical production thus far because of how inferior our opponents have been.
Either way, I'd be interested to see the actual splits.
I hope Brian continues to improve, but I'm hoping for nothing more than a good-rebounding backup center who can play 8-10 solid minutes against ACC competition. I would much rather give minutes to the Plumlee brothers at Zoubek's expense so that they can develop as much as possible.
I actually like Zoubek's game. He has his limitations, but he is not a bad player and he can contribute in big games. He's been a little unlucky with injuries, but he's done nothing I've ever seen but work hard.
He has a couple of solid baseline moves, if he gets the time, and he is big and strong which forces the other centers to have to work inside. He doesn't give up anything easy. He can get the team some "garbage" put back points and alter or block some shots inside.
His problems are obvious after three years. He makes poor decisions. He is not quick, his hands are not the best, and he lacks brakes. That's where the fouls come from. He's like the super tanker that takes three miles to stop after it's underway.
Duke will get some nice minutes from him, but if you are counting on him against the better big men in the conference or the country, you are in trouble.
"An angry man catches no fish"-Zen proverb.
Say what you want about the big fella but he is a situational player who has contributed when called on in the last 2 years.
He turned that game last year in the ACC Championship against FSU with his defense on Solomon A. His defense helped trigger the big run in the first half.
And I am not sure we win the NCAA game against Texas without his defense on their 300 pounder either. He is not a star and never will be. But to state he is useless against good/great teams is not entirely true.. It is all about matchups for Zoubs..
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If his defense was so bad, his plus/minus wouldn't be so good. If he couldn't box out or he gave away so many rebounds, his rebounding per minute numbers wouldn't be the best on the team. If he mishandled the ball or let it get slapped away so often, his turnover rate wouldn't be better than Nolan Smith's. If he got blocked a lot or missed too many layups, his shooting percentage wouldn't be 65%.
He often looks awkward out there, and you appear to equate that with a lack of skills, but if he truly were so unskilled he wouldn't be able to put up the numbers he does in the small amount of minutes he gets. He's even a pretty good passer for a big man.
And he hasn't just shown it against weak competition. His per minute numbers last year were outstanding, including the entire ACC season.
As I said in my earlier post, it's completely possible his stellar per minute numbers are due to K correctly identifying the situations where Z would best perform and only playing him in those situations. In which case he's being utilized for exactly the right number of minutes. But just because he might not succeed in every situation is no reason to hate on him.
Non-conference (including NCAAT), per 40 minutes: 18.3 pts, 12.9 rebs
ACC (including ACCT), per 40 minutes: 8.3 pts, 11.9 rebs
So, clearly he scored a lot more against non-conference opponents, but his rebounding was pretty similar and pretty good against both conference and non-conference opponents.
zoubek is doing great coming off the bench...he fits that role as a bench player. i doubt giving more minutes to zoubek will help the team because it takes away minutes from Miles who is really developing well this season. I cant wait until Mason gets healthy.