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    We're all Hokies now

    Remember the catch phrase from the spring of 2008, when everybody in the ACC rallied around the Hokies to show sympathy for the people at Virginia Tech after the tragedy on their campus?

    I was thinking about that phrase today, heading into tonight's UNC at VPI football game on ESPN.

    It's a funny situation. Naturally, Duke fans enjoy watching UNC fail at any sport. And make no mistake about it, Butch Davis' football team is failing big-time. A preseason top 25 pick and regarded as one of the preseason favorites in the Coast Division (one of the reasons they are on back-to-back Thursday night ESPN games), they are 4-3 (with two 1-AA wins) and 0-3 in the ACC.

    It would be sweet to see Virginia Tech lay a hurting on them tonight, dropping them to 4-4 and 0-4 in the ACC.

    However, I know it's a longshot, but it would actually help Duke if the Tar Heels upset the Hokies. We are 2-1 in the ACC with upcoming games against the other one-loss teams in the Coastal Division -- Virginia this week and Georgia Tech on Nov. 14. The one one-loss team we can't do anything about is Virginia Tech -- even if we end up tied with them, they'd have the first tiebreaker because of their head-to-head victory in Wade.

    So if you think Duke has any chance to contend for the division title, we need somebody to beat Virginia Tech.

    But does it have to be Carolina?

    My thinking is that we'll know better in a few weeks if Duke has any chance to make a title run. Beat Virginia this week and at UNC a week later and our pipe dream will look a lot more viable heading into Georgia Tech's Nov. 14 visit to Wade. The nightmare is to pull for UNC tonight, then have us lose at Virginia Saturday -- that would negate the whole reason for pulling for the Heels.

    If it comes to that, we can still pull for Russell Wilson to go nuts in Blacksburg on Nov. 21 or for Virginia to get their rivals in Charlottesville on the 28th.

    So anyway, that's my justification for making myself a Hokie fan for one night ... not that a Duke fan ever needs a justification to pull against the Heels.

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    Go Hokies!

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    Ugh. How does the saying go? "It's a bit like watching your mother-in-law drive off a cliff in your brand new Mercedes"

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    Let me posit an alternative scenario.

    Winning the division is possible. But not realistic.

    But finishing 7-5 and going bowling is realistic.

    But barring a shocker against GT or Miami, that 7-5 requires a win at Chapel Hill.

    A loss by Carolina at Blacksburg continues that team's downward spiral, further undermines their confidence, and brings them into the Duke game with some seriously bad mojo.

    A Carolina upset, however, rights the ship. The sky is again Carolina Blue, all is right with the world and a confident Carolina team welcomes Duke.

    Now, we could also come up with Carolina losing to VT and playing well against Duke or Carolina beating VT and being overconfident against Duke.

    But neither of those requires suspending the fundamental laws of the universe. In my scenario, Duke fans can root for Carolina to lose with both their hearts and minds.

    Beside, aren't we all Hokies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    Let me posit an alternative scenario.

    Winning the division is possible. But not realistic.

    But finishing 7-5 and going bowling is realistic.

    But barring a shocker against GT or Miami, that 7-5 requires a win at Chapel Hill.

    A loss by Carolina at Blacksburg continues that team's downward spiral, further undermines their confidence, and brings them into the Duke game with some seriously bad mojo.

    A Carolina upset, however, rights the ship. The sky is again Carolina Blue, all is right with the world and a confident Carolina team welcomes Duke.

    Now, we could also come up with Carolina losing to VT and playing well against Duke or Carolina beating VT and being overconfident against Duke.

    But neither of those requires suspending the fundamental laws of the universe. In my scenario, Duke fans can root for Carolina to lose with both their hearts and minds.

    Beside, aren't we all Hokies.
    I like how you think, Jim! You come up with well reasoned possibilities. VT has the capability of making the QB's confidence fall below where it is right now.... could be a key to the game tonight and Nov. 7.

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    To add to our Hokie fellowship, if you think about it, or take a look at the Hokie fan sites, you will see that Hokie fans also find themselves Duke fans of late--a heretofore entirely unexpected phenomenon.

    See, Hokies need GA Tech to lose a conference game. GA Tech has only two more: Wake and Duke. Based on recent performance, Duke seems like the more likely upset candidate, and Hokie fans will be rooting for the Devils en masse when that game is played. That is a lot of extra Duke support out there.

    Combine that with the fact that we ALWAYS want UNC to lose, and I think our rooting responsibilities this evening are clear.
    "Just like you man. I got the shotgun, you got the briefcase." Omar Little

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    .... in no way shape or form would any true Duke fan ever pull for Carolina! Period.

    GO DUKE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeFan78 View Post
    .... in no way shape or form would any true Duke fan ever pull for Carolina! Period.

    GO DUKE!
    Yeah, it's pretty much tattooed on your derriere. Go Devils!

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    Wow...Va Tech is going to lose. What an epicly bad fumble.
    <devildeac> anyone playing drinking games by now?
    7:49:36<Wander> drink every qb run?
    7:49:38<loran16> umm, drink every time asack rushes?
    7:49:38<wolfybeard> @devildeac: drink when Asack runs a keeper
    7:49:39 PM<CB&B> any time zack runs, drink

    Carolina Delenda Est

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    Hokies! What are they good for? Absolutely nothing.

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    Our game vs. UVA is looking like it's gonna be even bigger than expected.
    Q "Why do you like Duke, you didn't even go there." A "Because my art school didn't have a basketball team."

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    On the plus side, we now control our path to the Orange Bowl.

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    The announcer, as they were signing off, said that UNC can take a lot of confidence into their bye week next week. They play US next week. I'm FUMING right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duvall View Post
    On the plus side, we now control our path to the Orange Bowl.
    HAHAHAHA, now that had me laughing in stiches. Awesomely true though. When was the last time we could say that 7 games into the season?
    <devildeac> anyone playing drinking games by now?
    7:49:36<Wander> drink every qb run?
    7:49:38<loran16> umm, drink every time asack rushes?
    7:49:38<wolfybeard> @devildeac: drink when Asack runs a keeper
    7:49:39 PM<CB&B> any time zack runs, drink

    Carolina Delenda Est

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duvall View Post
    On the plus side, we now control our path to the Orange Bowl.
    There is NO plus side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    Our game vs. UVA is looking like it's gonna be even bigger than expected.
    Yeah, but not big enough to be on TV. I'm still furious about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RepoMan View Post
    To add to our Hokie fellowship, if you think about it, or take a look at the Hokie fan sites, you will see that Hokie fans also find themselves Duke fans of late--a heretofore entirely unexpected phenomenon.

    See, Hokies need GA Tech to lose a conference game. GA Tech has only two more: Wake and Duke. Based on recent performance, Duke seems like the more likely upset candidate, and Hokie fans will be rooting for the Devils en masse when that game is played. That is a lot of extra Duke support out there.

    Combine that with the fact that we ALWAYS want UNC to lose, and I think our rooting responsibilities this evening are clear.
    Our rooting responsibilities are always clear. 9F

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    Would find it hard

    to pull for unc against the anti-christ. Mr. Sumner is probably correct in that another loss especially if it's a bad one will continue to have the holes doubing themselves. Loss of confidence can hurt any athlete and I would love to see that happen to unc. Yeh in all sports. Go Duke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jv001 View Post
    to pull for unc against the anti-christ. Mr. Sumner is probably correct in that another loss especially if it's a bad one will continue to have the holes doubing themselves. Loss of confidence can hurt any athlete and I would love to see that happen to unc. Yeh in all sports. Go Duke!
    I think that right now Yates' confidence is very vulnerable. VT has some tough pass rushers. Could be a situation to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RepoMan View Post
    we ALWAYS want UNC to lose,
    as the world turns....

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