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  1. #1
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    2009-2010 Starting Five

    On Nolan's U-Stream he said the starting five will be:

    Jon Scheyer
    Nolan Smith
    Kyle Singler
    Mason Plumlee
    Lance Thomas/ Brian Zoubek

    There you have it

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    I like the look of that lineup. Mason was the only person I wasn't sure about but thought there was a good chance he would start.

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    Nice, mason and lance should be be a good combo down low. What do you guys think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueintheFace View Post
    On Nolan's U-Stream he said the starting five will be:

    Jon Scheyer
    Nolan Smith
    Kyle Singler
    Mason Plumlee
    Lance Thomas/ Brian Zoubek

    There you have it
    Pretty cool if Mason really has locked up starting spot already. Bodes very well for the team's prospects.

    My one question... does the order you typed the names imply that Lance would be the center in that lineup, or was that just coincidental? It boggles my mind that Lance would spend any time at the 5 on this team. And by "5", I mean guarding the opposing team's center and spending the most time in the post, before all the "K doesn't play positions" nonsense starts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_Newton View Post
    Pretty cool if Mason really has locked up starting spot already. Bodes very well for the team's prospects.

    My one question... does the order you typed the names imply that Lance would be the center in that lineup, or was that just coincidental? It boggles my mind that Lance would spend any time at the 5 on this team. And by "5", I mean guarding the opposing team's center and spending the most time in the post, before all the "K doesn't play positions" nonsense starts...
    I dunno if that's why the OP listed them this way, but that was the order that Nolan listed them off. And it was more of Nolan's prediction than anything concrete, but that's just my impression.

    I wouldn't worry about Lance guarding the other team's "5" if Mason is playing. Just like I wouldn't worry about Jon guarding quick PGs with Nolan at his side.

    Speaking of the "K doesn't play positions" thing... One thing Nolan said a few times when people asked if he was gonna be PG or SG... He said he's just going to be a guard, and do the things that both a PG and an SG would do (create, score, shoot, etc.) So that would give you an indication that we're going to have a lot of flexible, versatile guys out there (not that we didn't already know that.)

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    A recruit doing U-stream is one thing, but I don't like our players doing it. Too much risk there. Coach K might need to shut it down.

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    I dunno, these guys are trained to handle the media, press conferences and the like. They are also trained, instructed and expected to be great representatives of the University. It's the only official rule Coach K has for the team, iirc, to act/live in a way that is a good representation of self/team/university- something along those lines. Finally, the guys are seemingly well looked after when it comes to NCAA regulations. I'm sure they are well instructed to the extent where they would know better than to do anything that is blatantly a violation or anything like that.

    I just think it's such a grey area, because it's all (twitter, ustream, etc.) so new. It will be fascinating to see how the NCAA and individual teams adapt to all these changes.

    All that said, I agree with you and think that they will probably be encouraged to tone it down a bit, at the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueintheFace View Post
    A recruit doing U-stream is one thing, but I don't like our players doing it. Too much risk there. Coach K might need to shut it down.
    I couldn't disagree more. Social media is a way for athletes to engage with their fans. And while some college athletes (I'm really thinking of Kansas right now) will say inappropriate things, I have a lot of faith in Duke kids using social media. Also, we are always talking about how this player is such a "good" and "responsible" kid and "fits the Duke mold." If you truly believe that, then let Duke players act on their own accord - no need for K to pull the plug on Twitter, Facebook, youtube, uStream, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingdutchdevil View Post
    I couldn't disagree more. Social media is a way for athletes to engage with their fans. And while some college athletes (I'm really thinking of Kansas right now) will say inappropriate things, I have a lot of faith in Duke kids using social media. Also, we are always talking about how this player is such a "good" and "responsible" kid and "fits the Duke mold." If you truly believe that, then let Duke players act on their own accord - no need for K to pull the plug on Twitter, Facebook, youtube, uStream, etc.
    If you look through the Kyrie Irving thread, you will find that I vigorously defended Twitter, U-Stream, and those who follow recruits on it to an extent.

    HOWEVER, recruits are different because they do not yet represent a program. Last night was very dangerous for Nolan and Duke Basketball. He handled it fairly well but really pushed the envelopes a few times.

    1) He accidentally showed Seth Curry's phone # on the video chat
    2) He made jokes about ethnicities ("What do you call a short mexican?...)
    3) When people started telling "homos" to get out of the chat he laughed and repeated one of the statements accidentally.
    4) He made somewhat disparaging comments about Carolina players
    5) He made speculations (or assertions) depending on what you believe about the lineup before practice has even started (Not sure K is down with that).
    6) He talked about potential recruits, some of which have not been offered.

    ... there is just a lot of gray area and a lot of room to slip up. When a recruit does it, no big deal, because the media won't jump all over it. When a player for an NCAA team gets caught slipping on something... WHEN A DUKE BASKETBALL PLAYER IN THE SPOTLIGHT slips up... not good.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see K put some restrictions on Twitter and U-stream once the season starts.

    Back to the starting lineup... We are going to be SOOOOO big. It still hasn't hit me yet how different this team will be this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueintheFace View Post
    A recruit doing U-stream is one thing, but I don't like our players doing it. Too much risk there. Coach K might need to shut it down.
    yea! and get off my lawn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_Newton View Post
    Pretty cool if Mason really has locked up starting spot already.
    What sage said.

    How about we wait until practice actually begins before anyone goes and locks down a starting position... mmmmkay?

    --Jason "or, we could just go ahead and retire Mason's jersey now and get it over with... now where have I head that before? " Evans
    Why are you wasting time here when you could be wasting it by listening to the latest episode of the DBR Podcast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    What sage said.

    How about we wait until practice actually begins before anyone goes and locks down a starting position... mmmmkay?

    --Jason "or, we could just go ahead and retire Mason's jersey now and get it over with... now where have I head that before? " Evans
    I don't see why we are being dissuaded from speculating the starting 5, even if it's before practice season. This type of chatter gets everyone excited for the future season, which is always positive. Plus, these aren't the starting five of us, but rather of Nolan.

    This is the most exciting recruiting class since the 2005 class (even if they didn't pan out, it was one hell of an exciting class to follow at the time). I think Mason can easily be a starter, with Dawkins and Kelly as the 6th, 7th, or 8th guys off the bench (with Miles will come off the bench as well). I am really excited for this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingdutchdevil View Post
    I don't see why we are being dissuaded from speculating the starting 5, even if it's before practice season. This type of chatter gets everyone excited for the future season, which is always positive. Plus, these aren't the starting five of us, but rather of Nolan.
    I cannot speak for others, but the point I was trying to make is that nothing is set in stone. Some folks are acting like Nolan's comments are the final word and that the starting 5 is a done deal. While Nolan's five/six may very well be the starters this season, I can guarantee you that it is not a done deal at this point because practice has not even started yet.

    So, I have no objection to speculating about starting fives and interesting combos of players and the such, but treating any of this as if it is a done deal is just foolish...

    ...and that was what I was trying to convey.

    --Jason "anyone dreaming of a big lineup with Scheyer, Singler, Kelly, Mason, and Miles?" Evans
    Why are you wasting time here when you could be wasting it by listening to the latest episode of the DBR Podcast?

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    It's nice, but

    All Duke fans know the starting five and the 7 to 9 man rotation will be determined by Coach K during his tough practices. This year as in previous years spots will be won on a weekly basis. Those who perform up to Coach's expectations will be the players getting the minutes. I think Kyle, Jon and Nolan will get the major minutes but I have no idea who gets the other minutes in the rotation. It is fun to predict and helps pass these waiting hours until tipoff. I imagine Nolan is going off pickup games and it's based on his personal feelings. Since Coach K has not seen these pickup games, it's certainly not etched in stone by any means. It's getting closer guys. Go Duke!

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    Hoo Boy

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Jason "anyone dreaming of a big lineup with Scheyer, Singler, Kelly, Mason, and Miles?" Evans
    Do I even need to spell out what the Duke-haters would say about this lineup?

    It's a fine lineup - but I'm just sayin'.

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    Gotcha!

    Quote Originally Posted by slower View Post
    Do I even need to spell out what the Duke-haters would say about this lineup?

    It's a fine lineup - but I'm just sayin'.
    At first I didn't get it. Went right over my head. But I see where you're going and I would not be surprised if another coach used that against us in recruiting. Go Duke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slower View Post
    Do I even need to spell out what the Duke-haters would say about this lineup?

    It's a fine lineup - but I'm just sayin'.
    Good luck using that against us in recruiting if we ride it to the Final Four. Even with the lack of quickness on defense, we might score enough points where it wouldn't even matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airowe View Post
    Good luck using that against us in recruiting if we ride it to the Final Four. Even with the lack of quickness on defense, we might score enough points where it wouldn't even matter.
    I seem to recall a team down the road using this strategy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    --Jason "anyone dreaming of a big lineup with Scheyer, Singler, Kelly, Mason, and Miles?" Evans
    Good lord, why? That sounds like a great lineup for getting Kyle in foul trouble in about a minute and a half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    --Jason "anyone dreaming of a big lineup with Scheyer, Singler, Kelly, Mason, and Miles?" Evans
    I'm glad that most of us thought "wow that lineup is slow" or "wow that lineup is tall" when thinking about that lineup instead of anything else.

    I fall into the latter group myself. It would certainly present some problems for other defenses I would think. Do you play man-to-man and risk height mismatches inside? Do you play zone and watch as Scheyer/Singler/Kelly pick it apart from 3? I definitly think Singler at the 2 would present some matchup problems for other teams. Hopefully on defense your lack of quickness could be made up for by a ton of height.

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