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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    The statement "Every time that [a public Duke lean] seems to happen we lose the recruit" is factually incorrect. Had I said "every Duke lean goes to Duke" then you would have a point. But I didn't say that. So your point is irrelevant to my point.

    Having posted on this board since the beginning, I'm not remotely surprised to find the sky-is-falling-mentality is still alive and well. But I do find it curious. So, Duke will only have three top-30 recruits and a freshman All-American joining the team next year. And yes, I'll say it. Roscoe Smith is a Duke lean. So, sue me.
    In what way do you see him as a lean!? We haven't heard anything from him in 3 weeks! Your not Roscoe Smith. He could easily change his mind in 5 minutes. There is no such thing as a "lean" because like any 17-18 year old kid they could change their decision in the matter of minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddevil View Post
    ... Roscoe would be a VERY nice addition, and he wouldn't be linked to Barnes, he would be linked to Duke. We should hope he "leans" this way. (couldn't resist)
    Roscoe seems to be a great fit at Duke. It sounds like a guy that can impact a game it ways other than scoring. Not that he will be a Battier type defender, but in the first year or two, he could be one of those guys that makes the team better without scoring much, and then take on more of a role in the offense as an upper classman. His game shouldn't overlap Hairston's, even if they are close in height. Hairston was compared by one analyst (who may have been inebriated) to Boozer. Sounds like Hairston will defend the post.

    Roscoe doesn't wear a vest does he?

    I got REALLY tired of hearing about Barnes' vest.

  3. #63

    Not to mention...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boozer View Post
    Could not agree more. These kids have become great actors. I bought into the newest hole (he who shall no longer be mentioned by name!! 9F, 9F, 9F, 9F) hook, line, and sinker, with all the surprising K on his Bday, taking multiple unofficials to Duke, raving about his great relationship with K, unzipping his top to reveal Duke shirts underneath, etc, etc, etc, It was all a ruse and most all of us bought it.
    the other four schools that basically had no chance at all, but were included in the mix in order to increase the national interest in his final decision.

    I got the impression that yesterday's press conference was more of a product launch than an announcement of where he would go to school. The only thing missing was a pair of Nike Harrisons, but those will come in a year or two.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    The statement "Every time that [a public Duke lean] seems to happen we lose the recruit" is factually incorrect. Had I said "every Duke lean goes to Duke" then you would have a point. But I didn't say that. So your point is irrelevant to my point.

    Having posted on this board since the beginning, I'm not remotely surprised to find the sky-is-falling-mentality is still alive and well. But I do find it curious. So, Duke will only have three top-30 recruits and a freshman All-American joining the team next year. And yes, I'll say it. Roscoe Smith is a Duke lean. So, sue me.
    Please tell me: Which credible news sources say Smith is a Duke tilt?

    Scout published an article either yesterday or today about Duke going after Smith, but I don't have access to their articles. Does anyone know what that article said, and are there any other sources? If so, that is great news.

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    I believe Jim is correct here.

    Roscoe Smith, Quincy Miller, and Austin Rivers are all probably Duke leans at this moment to be honest. The question is how much stock you actually put in a recruit being a Duke lean. That certainly varies from fan to fan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermy-own View Post
    Please tell me: Which credible news sources say Smith is a Duke tilt?
    Though he's not a recruiting specialist, Jim Sumner is a credible source, IMO.


    And, I think it's generally worth pointing out that this is a 2011 recruiting thread. Let's not get too carried away with the Roscoe Smith talk... there's a separate thread for getting carried away about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueintheFace View Post
    Roscoe Smith, Quincy Miller, and Austin Rivers are all probably Duke leans at this moment to be honest. The question is how much stock you actually put in a recruit being a Duke lean. That certainly varies from fan to fan...
    I think it's fair to say that Duke has picked up some serious momentum on Austin Rivers, but how can we claim that he's leaning toward Duke when he's repeatedly said that he's not yet backing out of his Florida verbal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by juise View Post
    I think it's fair to say that Duke has picked up some serious momentum on Austin Rivers, but how can we claim that he's leaning toward Duke when he's repeatedly said that he's not yet backing out of his Florida verbal?
    Recruits say a lot of things... (see-meltdown)

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    Quote Originally Posted by miramar View Post
    the other four schools that basically had no chance at all, but were included in the mix in order to increase the national interest in his final decision.

    I got the impression that yesterday's press conference was more of a product launch than an announcement of where he would go to school. The only thing missing was a pair of Nike Harrisons, but those will come in a year or two.
    Yeah, the more I think about it, the more contrived and self-absorbed it seems.

    Kyrie Irving talks a lot about "H and H", meaning "Hungry and Humble"....at best Mr. "H" Barnes would be 1 for 2 there, and that's before a meal.

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    I think we should try to avoid bashing HB now. If he had chosen the good guys, I doubt any of this (over-the-top ceremony, seems full of himself, w/e)would be of concern to us.

    I really hope we can land Roscoe Smith, can never hurt to have a super athletic frontcourt player. It seems like in the past, a good number of our recruits have had the skills and smarts but lacked explosiveness/"bounce". Coach K can teach a guy how to play and coach up skills, but some things just aren't going to change.

    Definitely agree with how meaningless the term "a Duke lean" means. The only time it matters is when they actually announce. ughhh.

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    Look, Duke would be better with Barnes than without him. Duke wanted Barnes, expected to sign him and didn't. Sucky that Duke missed on Barnes. Double sucky that they lost him to UNC.

    Barnes is the third key recruit in the last ten years who Duke expected to sign and didn't. The other two were Jared Jeffries and Brandan Wright.

    Duke got in late with Patrick Patterson and John Wall and never caught up to the leaders, in Wall's case a coach not a school. Duke had good vibes from Monroe but he ended his recruitment before even making an official to Duke. Florida and Duke were perceived as 50-50 for Boynton.

    But let's look at who's in, not who's out. Just a few weeks ago Duke got a committment from a consensus top-five recruit at a position of need. Yet, to read this and other Duke boards you would think it never happened.

    Irving is the second top-five recruit to pick Duke in the last four years; how many schools can make that claim? And he will join guys like Nolan Smith, Mason Plumlee, Ryan Kelly, Andre Dawkins, and Josh Hairston. And maybe Singler.

    These guys didn't just show up on the discard heap. Duke got them by winning recruiting battles against Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA, Louisville, Villanova, Indiana, Georgetown, and yes, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

    And don't forget Mr. Curry. Think he couldn't have gone just about anywhere? Yet, Duke locked him up within days of his departure from Liberty. This would be the same Seth Curry who beat out Kenny Boynton for a spot on the U.S. U-19 team last summer, the same Seth Curry that Andrew Goodman said was the best player on the court during a recent Duke practice.

    And Curry may well not start next year.

    So let's not make that all-too-easy-jump from the specific to the general. You win some, you lose some on the recruiting trail. That was the case with John Wooden, Dean Smith, Adolph Rupp, and Bob Knight. It's the case with Mike Krzyzewski and it's the case with Roy Williams.

    I'm reasonably certain that Duke isn't going anywhere. But no, I don't have a link for that.

    Just asking for some perspective here, folks.

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    Look, Duke would be better with Barnes than without him. Duke wanted Barnes, expected to sign him and didn't. Sucky that Duke missed on Barnes. Double sucky that they lost him to UNC.

    Barnes is the third key recruit in the last ten years who Duke expected to sign and didn't. The other two were Jared Jeffries and Brandan Wright.

    Duke got in late with Patrick Patterson and John Wall and never caught up to the leaders, in Wall's case a coach not a school. Duke had good vibes from Monroe but he ended his recruitment before even making an official to Duke. Florida and Duke were perceived as 50-50 for Boynton.

    But let's look at who's in, not who's out. Just a few weeks ago Duke got a committment from a consensus top-five recruit at a position of need. Yet, to read this and other Duke boards you would think it never happened.

    Irving is the second top-five recruit to pick Duke in the last four years; how many schools can make that claim? And he will join guys like Nolan Smith, Mason Plumlee, Ryan Kelly, Andre Dawkins, and Josh Hairston. And maybe Singler.

    These guys didn't just show up on the discard heap. Duke got them by winning recruiting battles against Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA, Louisville, Villanova, Indiana, Georgetown, and yes, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

    And don't forget Mr. Curry. Think he couldn't have gone just about anywhere? Yet, Duke locked him up within days of his departure from Liberty. This would be the same Seth Curry who beat out Kenny Boynton for a spot on the U.S. U-19 team last summer, the same Seth Curry that Andrew Goodman said was the best player on the court during a recent Duke practice.

    And Curry may well not start next year.

    So let's not make that all-too-easy-jump from the specific to the general. You win some, you lose some on the recruiting trail. That was the case with John Wooden, Dean Smith, Adolph Rupp, and Bob Knight. It's the case with Mike Krzyzewski and it's the case with Roy Williams.

    I'm reasonably certain that Duke isn't going anywhere. But no, I don't have a link for that.

    Just asking for some perspective here, folks.
    As usual, Jim is correct. Here is something else to ponder. If 20 years ago a certain recruit had gone to UNC, a place his Dad preferred, instead of Duke life around here might have been very, very different. In many ways, K's NC legacy - his ability to recruit kids Duke never got - started when Grant Hill (number 3 recruit) chose Duke and K over UNC and Dean. It could have easily gone the other way. Also, after K got Grant and 2 NC's before Dean got his, Dean was not done. You just never know how it will all play out and how it will motivate.
    dukelifer

  13. #73

    It's not always greener on the other side of the fence

    I agree with Jim. We have a nicely stocked cupboard. Let's enjoy it and see how far it takes us. I bet it will be a great ride. We have a truly great junior in Singler, a stellar and dependable guard in Scheyer, players who understand good defense and put themselves on the floor to make plays, and terrific talent for the years to come. Whether Smith comes or not, we will have a great team next year and will compete for the big prize. Focusing on the talent we miss on will not make us a better team.

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    Thanks for the link on Jim Sumner, very interesting. Regarding Barnes, I note that the sun has continued to rise in the east every morning. I expect that will continue.

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    Perspective

    Jim is almost always right, as is Al Featherston. Linked below are some posts from them that might help you keep recruiting in perspective:

    http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/articles/?p=24203

    http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/articles/?p=24203
    Last edited by -jk; 11-15-2009 at 12:48 PM. Reason: spelling

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    @qmillertime Just got off the phone with coach K..headed to Duke tomorrow for the game..

    quincy miller's twitter a little while ago

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    The most useless post I will post:

    @qmillertime is an awesome Tweet name. Don't know much about Miller other than he's a highly rated PF for the class of 2010. That said, with a Tweet account name like that, I want him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingdutchdevil View Post
    The most useless post I will post:

    @qmillertime is an awesome Tweet name. Don't know much about Miller other than he's a highly rated PF for the class of 2010. That said, with a Tweet account name like that, I want him!
    You mean 2011, right?

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    you know what i meant

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    Perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by MChambers View Post
    Jim is almost always right, as is Al Featherston. Linked below are some posts from them that might help you keep recruiting in perspective:

    http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/articles/?p=24203

    http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/articles/?p=24203
    Agree very much with your post, and of course with Jim's. I wonder if these two links should be added to every recruiting thread for some perspective, or as a sticky at the top of the threads' page.

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