I could see him taking a second to somebody - Donovan who is hot. But 4th? Sorta bogus to me - how many coaches have both won a title and made it to the Final 4 a second time since 2000 - not to mention the ACC Championships:
In all honesty, if you look at the last 2 years (which are obivously the most important given Donovans rank of # 1) the only person that I think is wrongly placed anywhere in the top 5 is calhoun. I dont care how many guys you lost to the draft. A good coach doesn't miss the dance. Coach k should be 3 here at WORST
I agree that Coach K is one of the best all-time. Probably only second to John Wooden. BUT -- he has not done his best coaching job during the past 5 years. Let's face it. He's made some really stupid/outrageous choices. So....even when my blood drains Duke blue, I have to be honest with myself and question some of his decisions during this time.
Is it time for him to pass the mantle? Wonder what the rest of Duke Nation thinks?
You guys are being way too sensitive. The article pretty clearly says that recent success is weighted very heavily, and K did not do a very good coaching job this year.
And, no, it isn't time for him to "pass the mantle." That's a big overreaction. He's still one of the best coaches overall. We just had a down year. Chill out.
Last edited by Wander; 04-18-2007 at 03:10 PM.
I saw this article last week and wrote it off within 2 minutes. When I (so predictably) saw Donovan #1, I knew not to take this seriously at all. And I agree with Skitzle, Krzyzewski and Calhoun were in substantially similar situations this year and Uconn did MUCH worse than Duke. Didn't hear ESPN or CNNSI let out a peep, either.
They say Coach K is 4th because of his recent underachievements, but I think we can all identify the most notorious tourney underachiever on the list. They say we don't live up to #1 seed status enough lately, but the reason we were a #1 seed so often is because we took 7 out of 8 ACC Tourney titles, another feat no other coach on that list has done. And I don't care how much talent Duke gets, 9 straight Sweet 16s can't be looked at as underachieving. Being given a 1 seed doesn't guarantee anything; ask Roy about that...
Last edited by Classof06; 04-18-2007 at 04:24 PM.
I really can't believe that any Duke fan would even raise the question as to whether it is time for Coach K to "pass the mantle."
Yes, it is disappointing that JJ, Shelden and friends only made one Final 4 and this year was very disheartening. But Duke has hardly suffered a fall from the status as one of the elite programs in the nation because of the lack of recent NCAA tournament success.
If Duke has 2 or 3 more consecutive years like this, maybe there will be cause for concern. But it's not even close to time to worry about this program being in disarray.
Get a grip and don't pay heed to stupid SI.
K is where Dean was in 1992 (actually, Dean was a bit better off). Whether he closes out his career with one last push or we start aiming for the Sweet 16 just to have the opportunity to faceplant there remains to be seen.
I have a strong suspicion we'll end up with the latter.
Between me and every ideal I always find Scheisskopfs, Peckems, Korns and Cathcarts. And that sort of changes the ideal. -- Joseph Heller
I'd add the General in there as well, but I agree. Coach K is about as legendary a coach as one can ever become. He's THE premier coaching talent in the country. Period. I read SI religiously but that list is bogus.And certainly the only one along with Dean to be compared to Wooden.
"Duke is a once in a lifetime opportunity and something you don't pass up on." -Amile Jefferson
This is all a question of "what have you done for me lately?".
Two years ago, people were bashing Donovan for being an underachiever who couldn't get it done in the tourney. Now, he's being added to coaching's Mount Rushmore.
K will rise again. If you think we hate losing, imagine how he feels.
I think you guys are being way too sensitive on behalf of K right now, not the K of 20, 15 or 5 years ago. He is still in the top, elite group, but a few other guys are there, too, and currently enjoying even higher levels of success. I think all such rankings should be taken with grains of salt, but I also think this one is fair. If we want K back up there as the unquestioned #1 (as the writer concedes he was), let's earn it with better showings in the tournament.
I think perhaps the most laughable thing is that he put Rick Barnes in his "also considered" list. Puh-leeze.
Interesting that the top two coaches on this list coached the two most talented teams.
I think if an actual thorough analysis was done to compile this list, the names would be completely different.
To be fair, they also recruited those two most talented teams and deserve credit for that.
But I agree that, if we went strictly on what they did with limited talent rather than elite talent, the names might be people we seldom think of. Pete Carrill would deserve consideration as one of the all-time best, for instance.
He often "sticks with the game plan" even when it's NOT WORKING.
Okay, I sound like a K basher. I'm not. I LOVE Coach K. I idolize K. I'm just trying to be realistic about my concerns from 2002-2007. GO DUKE. GTHCGHT
I also think that Coach K's inflexibility sometimes gets in his way of being the best X's and O's guy. I'm in no way saying that I know anywhere close to what he knows but I do think that Coach's strengths lie elsewhere. His ability to motivate, lead, and organize are second to none. But I have felt that over the last few years he has taken steps away from the being a micro-manager to a macro-manager in regards to his approach to coaching, which I think is common as Coaches mature and stay at one job for as many years as he has. There has been some rumblings last year and during the off-season that he is re-evaluating how he does things, so maybe things will change some next season. Regardless, it will be an interesting year next year as Coach has some holes and some options to explore.
There really are only two differences between the periods of 86-94 and 99-07, as far as I can tell.
(1) Duke started losing players to early entry (imo, this has clearly hurt Duke's depth in recent years), and
(2) Duke started shooting a lot more 3s (this is the only strategical change I've noticed over the years and, imo, is the reason why there's been a tendency since 1995 for Duke to build and blow huge leads [3-pters are less consistent than 2-pt shots; you can build a big lead if you're hot but quickly blow it if you go cold], at least once or twice a season)
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