Let's Get 'Lost' with Bostondevil

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Hmmm, my thoughts are kind of mixed in there, not sure if I can separate them out, it all kind of flows for me. When I type in a direct quote, it's because I think it might be important (or I think it's funny or it does a better job of summing up than I could). For example, I put the stuff about the backgammon game in because, well, I think it might come back up.

If you haven't watched the first episodes in awhile, I might mention something that you had forgotten.

BD, as long as you don't mind all the typing, I too enjoy reading your synopsis, as I haven't watched each season since it was on new, and that was a looooonnnngg time ago! And it is interesting to read what you think is important and your thoughts about those things.

Great job so far!

[JasonEvans]

OK, but if you really want some thoughts. The polar bear is a WTF moment. The effects for Leaf Moving Monster are just silly enough that it doesn't scare me. The chilling moment is when Shannon translates the transmission and Said comes in with 16 years, 5 months. Whoa. 'Guys, where are we?' indeed. Kate - the hooker with a heart of gold. Jack - the hero. Said - the tragic hero. Sawyer - the anti-hero. Hurley - comic relief. Locke - intriguing. Korean couple - who knows? Pregnant woman - there's always a pregnant woman in survivor scenerios. Boone/Shannon expendable but good for a fight and I suspect will be used primarily for exposition. Michael/Walt, gotta have a kid and a dog, plus a kid with issues can up the drama. Charlie - don't have a pat answer for his character yet, he's not comic relief, but I included the opening lines from Pilot Part 2 for a reason.

If everything really does have a purpose on this show, well, I think it's no accident that Locke was playing backgammon, that Walt found a comic book in Spanish, that Shannon studied abroad so she could speak French, that Charlie is a drug addict, that there's only one bullet in the chamber of the gun (actually, I already know why there is only one bullet left in the gun).

While I appreciate the effort you are putting in, I concur that the level of detail is going to make this a difficult project for you. I like your brief explanation of the roles of the characters above. That is the kind of thing I think we all want to hear about from you -- your reactions to events and characters.

The Polar Bear is a big-time WTF moment. I would love to hear more of your thoughts on that kind of stuff.

-Jason "important question-- are you enjoying it so far?" Evans

[Bostondevil]

Reminder to people here, although I don't actually make any money at it, I am a writer. Banging out a synopsis is no big deal. It is true that I have to squeeze them in between Little League games and piano lessons but the writing part is fun for me. I'll try to keep them brief in the future but they are also a good way for me to organize my thoughts and figure out what I really do think about it all.

[Bostondevil]

I've read a little bit of Duke4Ever32's thread too. We're at about the same place so far. I noticed Jason's comment to keep track of who I like and who I don't like as far as character's go.

Like so far:
Hurley, Charlie, Rose, Sawyer, Said

To good to be true:
Jack, Kate

Don't like:
Boone, Shannon

No real opinion yet:
Claire, Michael, Walt, Korean couple

In a category all by himself:
Locke

Pointless to consider:
Shrapnel Dude

[JasonEvans]

For future reference, the middle-eastern looking guy's name is spelled Sayid.

Oh, and the shrapnel guy is the marshal who was escorting Kate, right?

--Jason

[Bostondevil]

For future reference, the middle-eastern looking guy's name is spelled Sayid.

Oh, and the shrapnel guy is the marshal who was escorting Kate, right?

--Jason

Right.

I like Sawyer. He strikes me as both realistic and complicated. Sawyer has good and bad in him, I suspect, and he's a much more interesting guy to try to figure out than say Mr. One Dimension - Jack. The most intriguing character so far is Locke and trust me Jason, I will have more to say on that when I post about the next episode - sometime tonight.

[Bostondevil]

Shrapnel Dude is delirious and mumbling "I have to bring her back. She's dangerous. Don't trust her." Aaaannnddd Jack finds Kate's mug shot. So, no secret about the handcuffs, we know that Jack knows in the second episode.

Expedition camps out over night. They discuss being 1000 miles off course and the transmission. Sayid says that they should not tell anybody else about the transmission. Why not? It will take away their hope. Oh Sayid, somehow I suspect you really do understand what you're saying about hope. My money is still on you as our most tragic hero.

Meanwhile Shrapnel dude's fever persists and he has turned yellow. Jack has Hurley assist him with the patient. Hurley finds Kate's mug shot.

Sayid has the clip. We see someone take the clip from Sayid's pocket as he sleeps. He wakes up. It's Boone with the gun. He was keeping watch and thought he should have the gun. An argument ensues and it is decided that Kate should keep the gun. Oh, the irony, we already know she's the one who was handcuffed. Where will this lead?

Flashback to Kate asleep in a sheep pen in Australia. We know it's Australia because of the farmer who wakes her up by pointing a shotgun at her. He has an Australian accent. He ends up feeding her breakfast and offers her a job. He is a one-armed farmer who needs help.

The Expedition is back on the beach. Sayid suggesting they divide into three groups, each with a leader. One to collect water, one to deal with electronics, and one to ration food. Sayid offers to lead the water group. Why not electronics?

Kate ignores Sayid's plea and tells Jack about the transmission then asks about the Marshall. Will he leave? Does she hope he will die? Unclear.

Hurley and Jack discuss what to do about their knowledge concerning Kate. Then goes into the fuselage to look for antibiotics when Hurley balks at being around the dead bodies. Jack hears a scary noise. It's Sawyer, looking for smokes and food. Looking completely out for himself. Just in case we weren't aware of it before, the show sets up the philosophical conflict between Jack and Sawyer in this scene for us.

Korean couple - wife is searching for the huband's luggage. Is he just sitting around? The bastard! Then he tells his wife to go clean up as she has gotten dirty. I love you he says as she leaves. Really? Cause you're being shown as a real wanker, well, except when you make sushi for pregnant women.

Charlie and pregnant woman chat. She has no husband. Not even one that was killed on the plane.

Kate checks on Shrapnel Dude. Flashback - Australia, Kate 'Annie' gets her wages from a tin can and prepares to leave the farm in the middle of the night. Farmer Ray catches her and offers to drive her to the train station in the morning. She agrees.

Flash forward - Shrapnel Dude wakes up and tries to choke Kate. Jack pulls him off of her.

Kate: Can't you put him out of his misery?
Jack: I saw your mug shot, Kate. I'm not a murderer.
OK then, we won't have any misunderstandings between these two then. Jack knows and Kate knows that he knows, but what about Hurley?

Flashback: Farmer Ray driving 'Annie' to the train station. He keeps looking in the rear view mirror. He turned Kate in for the reward money. Shrapnel Dude pulls alongside and makes a pistol out of his finger which he points at Kate. Nice, real nice, Shrapnel Dude.

Michael and Walt talk about Locke. Walt seems to look up to Locke more than his own dad, ouch. The secret Locke told Walt is that a miracle happened here. I'll say, from the flashback scenes with the way the tail section broke off? No way, there are any survivors of that plane crash, no way. Michael promises to go look for Vincent. Why couldn't the dog be named something more 'doggie', like Sparky or Duke? Yeah, that's a good dog name.

Michael hears something and runs. He comes upon Sun(?), I think the Korean wife's name is Sun. Anyway, he finds her washing up and she doesn't have a shirt on. Michael has already had one incident with her so . . . awkward.

Locke/Charlie scene. Locke is making a whistle.

Shrapnel Dude screams in agony. Sayid tells Jack that the screams are upsetting everybody else.

Sawyer/Kate scene. They discuss Shrapnel Dude and Sawyer says he's glad he doesn't have the gun because he'd use it to do what has to be done.

Jack with Shrapnel Dude 'Don't trust her, no matter what.'
Jack: What did she do? Shrapnel Dude: She got to you too. Ah, there's more than just law enforcement in play here, huh? Is he a jilted lover as well? Shrapnel Dude wants to see Kate.

Flashback: Kate cause Farmer Ray to wreck his truck. Drags him bloody and unconcious from the wreckage. Makes it to another road before the Shrapnel Dude catches up to her.

Flash forward - SD: What was the favor? The last thing I remember before the crash was you asking for a favor. Kate wanted him to make sure Farmer Ray got his reward. See? Hooker with a heart of gold. Now, c'mon, why are we supposed to think we can't trust her? We've seen her save SD, at least temporarily. We've seen her worry about Ray. What could she possibly have done that was so bad? SD: I'm gonna die, right? Kate: Yeah. SD: So, are you gonna do it?

Hurley tells Jack that Kate has the gun. Jack rushes to the tent. He sees Kate coming out, from behind. Gunshot. Sawyer has shot him, in the chest, missing his heart. He perforated a lung but didn't kill him, at least not yet, it will take hours to bleed out. Jack orders Sawyer out of the tent and somehow kills SD himself. See, I knew there was one bullet left for a reason. That one got resolved pretty quick.

Next comes my nomination for the most unbelieveable moment this show will ever have. Sawyer pulls out one of his last remaining smokes but can't get his lighter to work so he throws the cigarette away! C'mon! I wouldn't believe that in a million years. Would Not Happen.

Locke sitting on the beach blowing the whistle. It's very high pitched. It's a dog whistle! And here comes Vincent. Oh that Locke. Locke then wakes up Michael so he can be the one to bring Vincent back to Walt. I'll admit I don't know the philosophy of John Locke but I suspect it is not an accident our most capable survivor shares his name.

Jack and Kate - Kate wants to confess, Jack doesn't want to know. Jack: Three days ago we all died. We should all be willing to start over. There's our Tabula Rasa.

Hurley listening to music as survivors clean up. Montage of people being nice to each other. Korean husband moves hair out of face of sleeping wife. Charlie writes LATE on his knuckles - hmmm, a detail worth remembering? Michael brings Walt his dog as the music changes to spooky and we pan to Locke watching the scene.

[Bostondevil]

Opening shot we're back to the immediate aftermath of the crash. Close up on Locke lying on his back shot from below his feet. He isn't wearing shoes. He looks at his feet, wiggles his toes and looks over at his shoes. Did his shoes come off in the crash? We've already seen him watching Kate take shoes off a dead body. Hmmm, foot fetish?

Bostondevil feels the need to interject here with a true story. Warning, if by some chance you haven't seen The Sixth Sense please skip this paragraph. When I saw that movie I kept wondering why nobody ever spoke to Bruce Willis except the kid, why he kept wearing the same clothes, how in the world could he go upstairs at a little girl's funeral, one he had never met and NOBODY stopped him. Why didn't his wife say anything to him at the anniversary dinner? Why didn't he touch her? All these things occured to me while I was watching the movie so while I didn't connect all the dots, when the big secret was revealed, I thought, oh OK, so that's it. It did not shock me, I thought, wow, clever!

So within the first few seconds of episode 3 - Walkabout, I thought, what is Locke's fascination with feet? I also thought the camera angle of him lying on the ground was unusual and since I've been told that almost nothing happens on this show without a reason I thought, hmmm, Locke and feet, need to keep my eye on that.

Flash forward: Vincent is barking. Spooky noises are coming from the fuselage. Everybody gathers in fear. They shine flashlights into the plane. Red eyes and animals come charging out.

Boars says Locke with a smile. Startling but not a WTF moment like the polar bear was.

The fact that animals are eating the dead bodies leads to a discussion of what to do about them. Jack says they need to burn them. Burying them won't work as the animals will just dig them up.

Sayid tells Kate he is trying to find the power source for the transmission. If it's been running for 16 years, there must be one.

Walt wants to spend time with Locke which does not please Michael.

Fighting breaks out over the remaining food, the rationing hasn't worked out very well. Locke throws a knife which gets everybody's attention. He's either a very good shot or a very bad one.

He describes how to hunt the wild boar then reveals a suitcase full of knives. Locke is a survivor, that's for sure. Is there anything he can't do?

Flashback: Colonel Locke, is this line secure. A conversation about a secret military action ensues only to be interrupted by Locke's wanker boss asking for the TPS reports. What is this Office Space? (I've been meaning to check if any of the writers also wrote Office Space.) Locke is defensive but somewhat subservient to his boss. These actions do not gel with the Locke I've seen over the first two episodes. What is up with this guy? I just can't imagine him taking guff from a wanker like his (much younger) boss. Don't see it.

Kate is going on the hunt, with Sayid's antenna, to try and find a place to mount it up high. Michael asks Sun to watch out for Walt while he goes on the hunt.

We find out the pregnant woman's name is Claire. She shows Jack some pictures found in the wreckage and asks Jack to lead a memorial service. That is not Jack's thing.

Boone points the black woman out to Jack and says she has been sitting alone for 4 days.

Michael, Kate, and Locke track the boar.

Shannon finds Charlie (dipping into his stash). People are wood gathering for the big bonfire of bodies, to be held after sundown just in case it is seen by someone.

Boone asks Jack to go talk to the black woman. He tries. She stays silent. They sit together.

The Hunt - marks on a tree, Locke shushes Kate and Michael, knives at the ready. Boar rushes them. Michael is injured. Locke falls to the ground.

Flashback: Locke playing a war game in the break room of an office building with a friend, presumably the man from the telephone who called him Colonel Locke. His boss, Randy, comes in and teases him. He makes fun of the colonel stuff because Locke has never been in the military. Randy also picks on him about his Australia Walkabout information which he found on Locke's desk. He says he'll never do it. Locke gets mad and says "Don't tell me what I can't do!" But he takes enough grief from the boss that I'm still wondering what the heck is up with this guy. Oh, also, Helen, his girlfriend is mentioned. Randy seems shocked to find out he has a girlfriend. Locke sure is acting like a loser in the flashbacks.

Hurley and Charlie try spear fishing.

Claire gives Sayid an envelope, inside are pictures of a woman in traditional looking Muslim garb. Sayid had thought the envelope was lost. There's a hint of Sayid's back story. I doubt that woman was on the plane. I suspect she was lost to our Sayid long ago.

We find out Rose's name. She has a wedding ring on a chain around her neck. It belongs to her husband, Bernard. His fingers swell when he flies so she always keeps it for him when they go on airplanes. She tells Jack he doesn't have to keep his promise, to keep her company until her husband gets back from the bathroom. Jack says he was born into being a doctor, it's the family business.

Locke is talking on the phone to Helen, repeating how he got to tell off his boss. He is going to Australia on Walkabout, the plans have been made and he bought 2 tickets. He invites Helen. She is not allowed to meet clients. Oh, good heavens, he has a relationship with a phone sex woman? One he calls Helen? Red flags all over the place. Locke is a complete loser in the real world, what happened to change that? Why is this guy like this, he didn't learn all the stuff he knows by being in a plane crash so what is keeping him from realizing his potential? Something is very wrong here.

Kate climbing a tree as Michael watches. She explains about the antenna. Leaf Moving Monster noises. Kate drops the equipment and I think, breaks it.

It's a Leaf Moving Monster point of view shot that seems to descend upon Locke. He doesn't move or show any fear.

Michael returns to the beach, injured.

Shannon and Boone fight, again. Sigh. Expendable, I tell you. Of all the characters on the island I'm having the hardest time figuring out what these two bring us, nothing obvious yet.

Jack tells Rose about the memorial service and asks her if she wants to say anything about Bernard. Rose: My husband is not dead. Jack: Everyone in the tail section is gone. Rose: They are probably thinking the same thing about us.
Well now. That's interesting. Mental note made right there.

Jack sees a man in a dark suit standing under some tree looking over the beach. He's too neatly dressed to be one of the survivors. Jack looks away, then back, man is gone.

Kate tells Jack that Locke is gone, the monster was headed straight for him.

Jacks sees the man in the suit again. Goes after him into the woods. Finds Locke instead dragging a dead boar. Dinner!!!! The bonfire of dead bodies can deliver roasted boar meat too!

Memorial service - Claire reads the names of people that were on the plane and offers what she can about their lives. Charlie goes through the last of his stash. Jack sits apart. Michael asks Locke about the monster. Locke didn't see it.

Flashback: Locke is not going to be allowed to get on the bus for his Walkabout tour. There is an argument but ultimately Locke is told no. We see him turn away from the desk, he is in a wheelchair. And here is where I felt just like I did watching The Sixth Sense, oh, OK, so that's it. Makes sense now. And now we know what miracle Locke was referring to in his conversation with Walt. No wonder Locke seems so ready to adapt to the island. He already knows something is different about this place. And we also know why he had all those knives. I assume the walkabout included making your own way and living off the land.

Flashback to crash again, Locke gets up and walks.

Back to the memorial service, Locke sees the wheelchair and smiles. Goodbye old life! And walk about, indeed.

[Bostondevil]

OK, I'll be watching the next 4 episodes tonight and tomorrow night.

Open Mysteries:
1) The Leaf Moving Monster.
Thoughts - Either Locke didn't encounter the monster, there are more than one that behave differently, or an encounter with the monster is not 100% fatal. Also, why the heck did the pilot lean out the window before the monster grabbed him? Maybe he didn't have a choice. Maybe the monster came specifically for the pilot. As I've said before, the monster doesn't scare me, perhaps it should, but it doesn't, not yet anyway.

2) The transmission
Thoughts - French speaking woman, I find the French part of it intriguing, but I can't explain why. Sixteen years? Perhaps someone did come for her and she didn't have time to quit sending it or she's gone/dead too. Is it possible that she is still on the island, still waiting? If so, 16 years in solitary, she's a nut case for sure. What killed them? The Leaf Moving Monster? Are we supposed to think it's the Leaf Moving Monster? I would think he would get lonely if he killed everybody. I definitely find myself believing that LMM is sentient.

3) Locke can walk
Thoughts - there is something different about this island but then again, duh, why have the series otherwise. Miracles happen here? Maybe.

4) The man in the suit
I'm thinking only Jack can see him - perhaps he's a halluncination? Perhaps he's a miracle. He's weird, I'll give you that, and spooky.

5) The polar bear
We haven't gone back to that at all and I'm not sure the Expedition even mentions it much, so it's kind of easy to forget about it a bit, but I'm sure it will come up again later. I haven't spent much time thinking about it, beyond WTF?

6) Backgammon
Games? Game theory? The theory of games? I want to say 'This method has failed' but it is such an inside joke, there are only about 3 people who will get it and I'm not sure they read this thread. Oh, what the heck, I'm leaving it in.

Character related puzzles - Why are Korean husband and Sawyer such wankers (I'd use a more American term but I can't)? Why do Shannon and Boone seem to dislike each other so much? Why does Walt seem to not want to be around his dad all that much? What did Kate do that was so bad? How does Shannon keep her clothes looking so clean?


Solved Mysteries
Kate's the criminal
The gun is now useless as there are no more bullets
Charlie has a drug habit

I think that's kind of everything through the Walkabout episode. If I think of other mysteries/puzzles/conundrums, I'll post them. Next up White Rabbit. Hmmm, chasing a figment of the imagination down a hole? Please don't have this whole series wind up being a Wonderland dream. I'll be royally ticked off.

Are we having fun yet?

[snowdenscold]

Are we having fun yet?

Yes, indeed. =)

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Are we having fun yet?

Oh yeah! I LOVE reading your analysis! And I am very impressed with your questions and conclusions, whether they be right or wrong.

[Bostondevil]

Given the episode title if somebody doesn't follow something down a hole, I'll be disappointed.

Close up of one eye. Pan back, it's a kid lying on the ground. Other kids are telling him to stay down if he doesn't want to get beat up. He can see another kid getting his a** kicked. He gets up. You should have stayed down Jack.

We hear a swimmer screaming. Somebody runs down the beach and dive into the water. It's Jack, of course. Charlie runs down too but says he doesn't swim - important detail? Jack swims out and finds Boone. Boone says to keep going for the woman but Jack brings him back thinking he can go back out for the woman. Kate and Charlie run down to help pull Boone out of the water. Wait a minute, he said he had lifeguard training. He can't give mouth-to-mouth and he almost drowns trying to save somebody else? Some lifeguard. I believe Jack has already told him he should turn in his lifeguard certification or some such.

Jack asks Kate "Who was she?" Her name was Joanna and she wasn't supposed to be on the plane. Aaaaand that's why she died here, I'm sure. There were 47, now 46 survivors. Jack berates himself for not being perfect. How arrogant. Have you got a god complex Jack? Then Jack sees the man in the suit standing in the surf. I have to say, if the guy is real, he's not standing the way someone would in the surf. He hardly looks wet and the waves don't seem to be having much effect on him. Jack asks Kate if she sees him. She asks Jack when he last slept. Hmmmm, hallucination set-up. Oh wait, the man in the suit is the white rabbit? Why does that disappoint me?

Sun taught Walt how to brush his teeth using leaves. Michael gets testy.

Korean couple off by themselves. Sun worried about it. Husband says they don't need anybody else.

Sawyer kind of flirting and kind of being a wanker with Shannon about bug spray or sunscreen, something like that.

Claire can't find a hairbrush in any of the luggage. Kate/Claire conversation. Claire asks if Kate is a Gemini. Yes, why. Claire thinks she's restless and passionate. So, Kate's birthday is late May or June. Walt's is August 24th. If this actually means anything, I'll be surprised. But just in case, I'm keeping track of birthdays.

Charlie and Hurley tell Jack they are really low on water. Jack refuses to be in charge of doling out the rest of the water. I'm not charge! Since when, Mr. Hero?

Flashback: A beaten young Jack talks to his father about the fight. His father is a surgeon who can leave it all on the table, even when a patient dies. That's what makes him strong. "When you fail, you just don't have what it takes." And when you talk like that you are a wanker.

Boone is upset with Jack for saving his sorry a** and not Joanna's. Man in suit appears again. Jack runs and catches him this time. It's his dad. His dad turns and walks away again. Somehow, I suspect Jack will follow.

Flashback: Jack's dad is gone and his mother (Joyce Davenport!!) wants him to go after him. Jack can't. Mom says "You don't get to say I can't. Not after what you did." Dad is in Australia.

Walk gets Kate. Claire has fallen down and is unconcious. They carry her to Jack's med tent. She needs water. The water is gone.

Sayid and Kate discuss water situation with Locke. He volunteers to go look for water because he 'knows where to look'. If I ever go on Survivor, I'm making an alliance with Locke. Is there anything the guy doesn't know how to do?

Jack searching through the woods.

Flashback: Jack's dad has been missing from his hotel room for 3 days. He was last seen drunk in the hotel bar. "Perhaps you should talk to the police, Mr. Shepard."

Flash forward: Jack chasing after the apparition of his dad, nearly falls in a ravine!!! Yes, we have a hole. He grabs hold of a vine and hangs on. A hand appears, kind of spooky, but it's followed by Locke who pulls Jack up. Locke asks "Are you OK?" Jack laughs.

Charlie and Claire have a moment. Wonder if tatoos are important? I think Charlie's says 'Living is easy with eyes closed'. OK.

The Koreans have water. Sayid and Kate confront them. They got the water from Sawyer. Sawyer traded the water for a fish. Sawyer gives Kate the Marshall's badge since she seems to be policing now.

Jack and Locke talk. Locke: I'm an ordinary man . . . I don't believe in magic. This place is different. What if everything that happened here happened for a reason? I have looked into the eye of this island and what I saw was beautiful.

Well now. Leaf Moving Monster - eye of the island? Color me suspicious. I think the island is rather attracted to our man Locke. Does it talk to him, I wonder? Does his encounter with the LMM make him different from our other island mates? What is Locke's relationship with the island? Could the LMM be the island's soul? Would I be posing any of these questions if I didn't know that there are many great mysteries to be solved? Probably not. Again, I haven't watched the show but I do know it has a large following, many of whom are obsessed with every small detail.

Locke tells Jack to keep looking because a leader can't lead if he doesn't know where he's going.

Flashback: Jack in the morgue. Dad had a heart attack while drunk.

Flash forward: Jack crying by the campfire. Dad walks by again but this time, he walks behind Jack so we see him but Jack does not. He hears him though. The apparition makes a noise which leads me to believe that the island has a hand in creating the apparition. It has enough substance to have a footfall, move leaves, make a noise! A hallucination wouldn't appear behind our guy and he wouldn't make noise.

Anyway, Jack turns and follows Dad to a waterfall and a stream. There is a doll in the water, then we see lots of dolls. A section of the plane (with a lot of luggage) landed here. Then we see his father's casket.

Flashback: Jack telling Chrissy, the Oceanic employee, that he really needs to get his father's body on the plane because he needs it to be over.

Flash forward: The coffin is empty. Jack gets angry and breaks it into pieces.

Boone took the water but not for selfish reasons. He thought just leaving it out was asking for trouble. So he appointed himself chief of the remaining water, without telling anyone, you know, to avoid trouble. This guy better have an amazing back story because he's hasn't won any points with me yet.

Jack returns. It's been 6 days and no rescue. Every man for himself is not going to work. If we can't live together, we're going to die alone.

Sawyer asks Boone how it feels to be on the top of everyone's most hated list. "Sucks, don't it?" Oh Sawyer, I don't hate you.

Jack tells Kate that his father died in Sydney.

Next up - House of the Rising Sun
New Orleans? Ooo, the brothel where Kate became the hooker with a heart of gold? Somebody else been in prison?

[Bostondevil]

Close up on an eye-opening. Camera pans back it's Sun. OK, that's two in a row with a close up on the eye at the beginning. I don't think we had a close of Locke's eye but is this a trend. Does 'Lost' always do this to let us know who the episode will focus on? Oh wait, Sun. House of the Rising Sun refers to her name? Suddenly I don't like the episode title. They are Korean, not Japanese and 'House of the Rising Sun' means New Orleans anyway. Boo.

Anyway Sun smells a flower and watches her husband fish.

Kate to Jack "You and the tatoos don't add up'. Jack won't say why he has them.

Water Gatherers - Jack, Kate, Locke, and Charlie

Flashback: Sun in a fancy party dress. Takes a drink from a platter held by, what is his name anyway?, her husband who is the waiter. They exchange a look. Later they meet in the gazebo. Jin give Sun a flower and they kiss. They have hidden their relationshop from her father.

Flash forward: Michael and Walt in the surf. Korean husband comes running and attacks Michael. He is punching him hard and holding him down in the surf. It really looks like he is trying to kill him. Why? He can't possibly know about the incident when Sun was washing up, unless Sun told him and that just seems really unlikely. Anyway, Sayid and Sawyer pull Korean husband off Michael and handcuff him to part of the plane. See, they used the handcuffs again!

Sayid asks Sun - What happened?

Water Gatherers. "How'd you find this place?" Jack: Luck. Um, no, but I can see why he wouldn't want to explain it to anybody else. Jack encourages everyone to look through the luggage, especially for drugs. Oops, Charlie does have more in his stash, he steps away to use some and steps onto a beehive. Locke seems him and tells him not to move.

Sayid asks Michael what did he do. Nothing! He asks Sayid where he's from and Sayid admits Iraq expecting some kind of reaction. He doesn't get it, from Michael at least. Michael says that he doesn't know about Iraq but where he's from Koreans don't like people like him. I finally broke down and asked my husband for a detail. Korean husband's name is Jin. Jin will stay handcuffed until they know why he attacked Michael.

Flashback: Sun's father gave permission for them to marry. Jin will work for her father. This news does not please Sun. Jin assures her that it is only temporary. I'm skeptical. Jin gives Sun a flower.

Water Gatherers: Charlie standing on the hive. He's nervous and he has an irrational fear of bees. Poor Charlie. Drug addict, hates bees, can't swim. Kate and Jack try to cover the hive but they can't. Charlie moves and the hive cracks. Bees swarm. Everybody runs. Kate runs into the cave with Jack where they find two skeletons. They look like they've been deliberately laid to rest. Jack says it takes 40-50 years for clothing to decay like it has on the skeletons. Kate asks "Where did they come from?" Jack responds, "You found a polar bear last week, where'd that come from?" Jack pulls a leather pouch from one of the skeletons. Inside are two stones, a black one and a white one - backgammon pieces! Charlie and Locke find them. Charlie: Oh wow, are these the people who were here before? Locke perks up and asks what people. The rest get evasive. Locke asks who are these men. Jack explains that one is a woman. Locke: Wow, our very own Adam and Eve. I'm guessing that might be a clue of some sort but it strikes me as actually a somewhat stupid thing to say. They haven't been there THAT long and it's not like they founded a race of island people. Oh, maybe they did. Hmmmm. Must remember that I think that Locke knows things he's not telling us or anybody else.

The beach, Sun putting lotion on Jin.
Flashback: Sun has been shopping and returns to an expensive looking apartment where Jin has bought her a dog since he works so much. He thought she might like the company. The dog is adorable and Sun does seem to like him. Sun: Remember when all you had to give me was a flower? Phone rings, Jin answers, it's her father.

Whoever proprosed that I would get tired of going into this much detail was right. The episode, besides discovering the skeletons is all exposition. I said before that my husband does follow the show, so, although I've only seen two episodes in their entirety, I have seen bits and pieces of some episodes. This is one of them. And I have to say, no wonder I didn't get hooked on the show. Maybe all the back story stuff is necessary, but this episode is 98% exposition and, sorry, I find that rather boring.

So, to sum up. Jin and Sun, he sinks further into the 'business', we see him coming home bloody one night. He tells Sun he does whatever her father tells him to do. He is becoming her father, she married him to escape that (adding my opinion in there). We later see Sun making plans to escape from both of them. She is supposed to run to a waiting car at 11:15 when they are at the airport. We later see her at the airport. Jin is waiting behind Jack at the Oceanic ticket counter. Sun quietly heads for the door. She looks back one last time. Jin holds up a flower for her. She cries but does not run out to the waiting car.

Sun speaks English - yes, I knew that, it was from seeing parts of this episode. She asks Michael for his help. Michael is wearing her father's watch. It's a point of honor for Jin. Michael eventually goes and give the watch back to Jin. Then cuts the handcuffs in two - they won't be used again, I suppose. Then tells Jin to stay away from him and his boy.

Jack thinks they could all live in the caves. Locke and Charlie stay behind to go through the luggage. Locke has figured out Charlies drug problem and wants to help him. He starts by showing Charlies where is guitar is. Charlie is much happier when he has a guitar to play.

The rest of the episode is dividing up between those who want to stay on the beach and those who are willing to move to the caves. Sayid leads the beach group. Jack leads the cave group. They 'battle' for Kate. Jack asks her what she did. She says that he had his chance to know.

Beach Group: Kate, Sayid, Sawyer, Michael, Walt
Cave Group: Jack, Locke, Charlie, Hurley, Sun, Jin.

At the end we hear Willie Nelson singing 'Are You Sure This is Where You Want to Be?'

Ending shot Kate's face superimposed with Jack's. Blech. No wonder I didn't get hooked on this show first time around! This one felt like Grey's Anatomy there at the end and I only lasted one season with that show. This episode left a bad taste in my mouth and the title sucked too.

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Blech. No wonder I didn't get hooked on this show first time around! This one felt like Grey's Anatomy there at the end and I only lasted one season with that show. This episode left a bad taste in my mouth and the title sucked too.

Don't give up. Don't ever give up!

Thought I'd throw a little Jimmy V at you to keep you inspired

Not every episode is riveting, but most of them provide bits and pieces that you'll want to know as the show moves on.

[Bostondevil]

Thanks Ozzie, I'm not giving up. I'm just warning you that occasionally an episode will hit me as not worth the more detailed synopsis/analysis/commentary. Hope you don't mind. I know some of you don't although those people may have already stopped reading the thread.

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Thanks Ozzie, I'm not giving up. I'm just warning you that occasionally an episode will hit me as not worth the more detailed synopsis/analysis/commentary. Hope you don't mind. I know some of you don't although those people may have already stopped reading the thread.

You're welcome. If they stop reading, it's their loss. I like reading about episodes so far in the past that I barely remember them. You've provided so many "oh, year!" moments already! It's almost like reading Jason's original reviews again.

[Bostondevil]

OK, it's our second almost completely back-story/character development/exposition episode in a row so I'm not going to spend too much time recapping it.

This one tells us Charlie's story. He was a religious kid who happened to be in a band that seems to have maybe been a One Hit Wonder? His older brother promises him that if it ever gets too crazy they will walk away. Older brother, Liam, then proceeds to descend into drugs and women, and takes the spotlight away from Charlie. Older brother is taller and better looking but I think we are led to believe that Charlie writes the songs. Anyway, after many encounters Charlie finally tells Liam it's time to walk away. Not gonna happen. We see Charlie fingering his brother's drugs.

One last flashback scene, Charlie is visiting a now sober Liam in Australia. He wants to get Drive Shaft back together. Liam doesn't want to come back. Now, here's another really unbelievable moment. Liam is totally Mr. Straight, dressed like a professor. He carries his daughter out to the sandbox to play while he and Charlie talk. He says he missed the night Megan was born because he and Charlie were out together trying to get a fix. Megan is at most 3 years old but looks more like 2. The last we've seen of Liam is him with multiple women, now he's married with a two year old and completely sober? When did this transformation happen? There's a giant step there and while I do believe some people can just decide to quit and are able to do so, I don't buy that Liam is one of them and I'm suspicious that he could turn it around that quickly but it's back story. Perhaps we will see him again, but maybe not.

The Cave Dwellers suffer a collapse, Charlie makes it out but Jack does not. Charlie runs to the beach to get more help with the digging. Michael comes and brings 'Scott' and 'Steve'. Expendable crew members? I'm just wondering if they ever show up again. Michael directs the digging because he has 8 years of construction work experience and knows a load bearing wall when he sees one. Walt sees his dad in a new light and looks on with pride.
Sawyer volunteers to find Kate who is off with Sayid doing the triangulation.
Kate is rather rude to Sawyer who then reverts to wanker mode. He eventually tells Kate about the cave in and she runs off to help leaving Sawyer to fire the bottle rocket. Shannon has been left with the responsibility on the beach. Why do I think this will not end well?

OK - the moth is Charlie, Locke has his drugs, the metaphor is the moth needs to struggle in his chrysalis so he is strong enough to live once he breaks out. Charlie does the heroic thing and goes into the tunnel to try in get Jack out. The tunnel collapses behind him. Charlie helps Jack with his dislocated shoulder then notices a moth in the cave. They find another way out. Kate has arrived and his digging when Jack and Charlie come up behind them. Kate gives Jack a big hug. Jack credits Charlie. Hurley says "Dude, you rock!" and hugs him. Charlie asks Locke for his drugs back for the third time then throws them on the fire. Charlie, we're proud of you, you little moth!

Meanwhile the triangulation - Sayid fires his rocket. Shannon wasn't paying attention but the woman she is talking to notices the rocket. Shannon remembers what she is supposed to do. Then we see the third rocket which we have to assume was fired by Sawyer. Sayid turns on the equipment, he's picking up the signal. Then he gets whacked in the back of the head by a baseball bat.

Mystery introduced - somebody whacked Sayid, somebody who doesn't want off the island?

[DUKIECB]

Mystery introduced - somebody whacked Sayid, somebody who doesn't want off the island?

Who could it be?

Bostondevil, put me in the camp of people who dig your in depth synopsis of each episode. I'm loving remembering things long forgotten and also things that play a vital role down the road. Keep it up!

[Bostondevil]

Thanks DukieCB. I intend to but I'm sure there will be other episodes like The Moth that don't warrant a scene-by-scene recap, at least to me.

[ncexnyc]

Just to give you a heads-up there aren't any episodes that aren't worth your full effort. You'll findout next season or several seasons down the road what I mean.