Comprehensive NBA early entry thread 2009

[sandinmyshoes]

How many point guards would Lawson have kept on the bench this year? I'm not sold on Drew being a bad player. I'm not swallowing that bait!

That said, there is no way Drew can be as good as Lawson. So unless there is significant improvement elsewhere on the court, they simply are not going to be as good as last year. But since they won the championship by double figures this year, that still leaves them the possibility of being a dangerous team.

I don't even want to think about Wall ending up there. Thankfully the most recent info doesn't seem to indicate much chance of that happening.

[CDu]

I don't think anyone would trumpet him as "the answer" at PG but he does provide them with a semi-competent backup for Drew.

Based on that description, I'd argue that Strickland is the better bet for backup PG. He's at least a combo guard offensively.

But I agree - unless one of Drew or the freshmen steps up (or they get Wall), UNC's point guard position is going to be a weakness. That's a rarity in the Williams era - he's almost exclusively been VERY strong at PG.

[Matches]

That said, there is no way Drew can be as good as Lawson. So unless there is significant improvement elsewhere on the court, they simply are not going to be as good as last year. But since they won the championship by double figures this year, that still leaves them the possibility of being a dangerous team.

Clearly they will not be as explosive as they were in 2009, but I could see their defense improving significantly with Davis logging big minutes in the post. He is a tremendous shot-blocker and will keep people out of the lane.

[FerryFor50]

You obviously didn't see the comments about UNC not even being considered from Wall. He made them look bad and the best thing that could happen is for Wall to head to Carolina. I'm sorry, it'll look great short term, but the more I see the more I think long term it's a bad proposition.

I didn't miss anything... Wall never said anything about UNC from what I've seen. Clifton, his handler, is the one who doesn't like UNC. The decision is still Wall's.

[sandinmyshoes]

Clearly they will not be as explosive as they were in 2009, but I could see their defense improving significantly with Davis logging big minutes in the post. He is a tremendous shot-blocker and will keep people out of the lane.

I too think defense could be their area of most improvement. However, having only one true point guard my cause some problems with that. They can hardly afford to have Drew in foul trouble. If Strickland or anyone else for that matter proves to be a capable five to ten minute a game back up, then their defensive improvement could be notable.

[Duke #33]

Uconn freshman enters the draft, but intends to come back. Here http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...v=ap&type=lgns is a link.

[Duke #33]

Maryland guard Greivis Vasquez will enter his name in the NBA draft, but won't hire an agent. Link:http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...v=ap&type=lgns

[JasonEvans]

Uconn freshman enters the draft, but intends to come back. Here http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...v=ap&type=lgns is a link.

It is worth noting that Majok has been connected to corrupt former UConn manager turned wannabe agent Josh Nochimson. While most of the allegations surrounding Nochimson involved him steering Nate Miles to UConn (and allegedly talking with UConn coaches about it), there is an investigation into whether Nochimson also provided extra benefits to Majok.

Majok may be declaring for the draft because he is pretty sure he will not be able to play ball at UConn anyway.

--Jason "the stink around UConn is nasty!" Evans

[whereinthehellami]

Below is a list of the ESPN/USA mens Top 25 teams with the players that they are losing, either to senior attrition, the draft, or to transfer. Only players who averaged over 10 MPG are included.

I did this last year also, in case anyone wants to compare.

1. UNC (5) - Hansborough 6-9, Green 6-5, Frasor 6-2, Lawson 5-11(NBA), Ellington 6-4 (NBA)
2. MSU (2) - Suton 6-10, Walton 6-2
3. UCONN (4) - Adrien 6-7, Austrie 6-3, Price 6-3, Thabeet 7-3 (NBA)
4. Villanova (4) - Clark 6-7, Anderson 6-6, Cunningham 6-8, Reynolds 6-2 (NBA?)
5. Louisville (3) - Williams 6-6, McGee 5-10, Clark 6-7 (NBA)
6. Pitt (4) - Fields 5-10, Biggs 6-8, Young 6-8, Blair 6-7 (NBA)
7. Oklahoma (3) - Johnson 6-3, Griffin 6-7, Griffin 6-10 (NBA)
8. Missouri (3) - Carrol 6-8, Lyons 6-9, Lawrence 6-7
9. Memphis (3) - Dozier 6-9, Anderson 6-6, Evans 6-6 (NBA)
10. Kansas (0)
11. Duke (3) - Paulus 6-0, McClure 6-5, Henderson 6-5 (NBA?)
12. Syracuse (3) - Flynn 6-0 (NBA), Harris 6-4 (NBA), Devendorf 6-4 (NBA)
13. Gonzaga (4) - Pargo 6-2, Downs 6-8, Heytvelt 6-11, Daye 6-10 (NBA?)
14. Purdue (2) - Green 6-6, Calasan 6-9
15. Xavier (2) - Raymond 6-6, Anderson 6-6
16. Washington (2) - Dentmon 5-11, Brockman 6-7
17. LSU (4) - Thornton 6-4, Martin 6-6, Temple 6-6, Johnson 6-11
18. UCLA (4) - Collison 6-0, Shipp 6-4, Aboya 6-9, Holliday 6-3 (NBA?)
19. ASU (2) - Pendergraph 6-9, Harden 6-5 (NBA)
20. WFU (3) - Hale 6-3, Johnson 6-8 (NBA), Teague 6-2 (NBA?)
21. Marquette (4) - James 5-11, Burke 6-8, McNeil 6-3, Matthews 6-5
22. FSU (2) - Douglas 6-2, Echefu 6-8
23. Texas (3) - Abrams 5-11, Atchley 6-10, James 6-5 (NBA?)
24. Arizona (2) - Budinger 6-6 (NBA), Hill 6-10 (NBA)
25. Butler (0)

[CDu]

Below is a list of the ESPN/USA mens Top 25 teams with the players that they are losing, either to senior attrition, the draft, or to transfer. Only players who averaged over 10 MPG are included.

I did this last year also, in case anyone wants to compare.

1. UNC (5) - Hansborough 6-9, Green 6-5, Frasor 6-2, Lawson 5-11(NBA), Ellington 6-4 (NBA)
2. MSU (2) - Suton 6-10, Walton 6-2
3. UCONN (4) - Adrien 6-7, Austrie 6-3, Price 6-3, Thabeet 7-3 (NBA)
4. Villanova (4) - Clark 6-7, Anderson 6-6, Cunningham 6-8, Reynolds 6-2 (NBA?)
5. Louisville (3) - Williams 6-6, McGee 5-10, Clark 6-7 (NBA)
6. Pitt (4) - Fields 5-10, Biggs 6-8, Young 6-8, Blair 6-7 (NBA)
7. Oklahoma (3) - Johnson 6-3, Griffin 6-7, Griffin 6-10 (NBA)
8. Missouri (3) - Carrol 6-8, Lyons 6-9, Lawrence 6-7
9. Memphis (3) - Dozier 6-9, Anderson 6-6, Evans 6-6 (NBA)
10. Kansas (0)
11. Duke (3) - Paulus 6-0, McClure 6-5, Henderson 6-5 (NBA?)
12. Syracuse (3) - Flynn 6-0 (NBA), Harris 6-4 (NBA), Devendorf 6-4 (NBA)
13. Gonzaga (4) - Pargo 6-2, Downs 6-8, Heytvelt 6-11, Daye 6-10 (NBA?)
14. Purdue (2) - Green 6-6, Calasan 6-9
15. Xavier (2) - Raymond 6-6, Anderson 6-6
16. Washington (2) - Dentmon 5-11, Brockman 6-7
17. LSU (4) - Thornton 6-4, Martin 6-6, Temple 6-6, Johnson 6-11
18. UCLA (4) - Collison 6-0, Shipp 6-4, Aboya 6-9, Holliday 6-3 (NBA?)
19. ASU (2) - Pendergraph 6-9, Harden 6-5 (NBA)
20. WFU (3) - Hale 6-3, Johnson 6-8 (NBA), Teague 6-2 (NBA?)
21. Marquette (4) - James 5-11, Burke 6-8, McNeil 6-3, Matthews 6-5
22. FSU (2) - Douglas 6-2, Echefu 6-8
23. Texas (3) - Abrams 5-11, Atchley 6-10, James 6-5 (NBA?)
24. Arizona (2) - Budinger 6-6 (NBA), Hill 6-10 (NBA)
25. Butler (0)

Kansas looks VERY strong for next year with the returning players they have and the freshmen they have coming in. They were already strong at PG and strong in the post, and they're now getting stronger on the wings.

[Duke #33]

Below is a list of the ESPN/USA mens Top 25 teams with the players that they are losing, either to senior attrition, the draft, or to transfer. Only players who averaged over 10 MPG are included.

I did this last year also, in case anyone wants to compare.



[24]Arizona (2) - Budinger 6-6 (NBA), Hill 6-10 (NBA)

You should add Nic Wise (NBA?) to Arizona's list.This is a little bit old(4/17), but I looked at the chart and noticed he wasn't on it. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ters-nba-draft

[Duke #33]

Mississippi State forward Jarvis Varnado announced Monday that he has declared for the NBA draft but won’t hire an agent. Link: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...v=ap&type=lgns

[whereinthehellami]

Below is a list of the ESPN/USA mens Top 25 teams with the players that they are losing, either to senior attrition, the draft, or to transfer. Only players who averaged over 10 MPG are included.

I did this last year also, in case anyone wants to compare.

1. UNC (5) - Hansborough 6-9, Green 6-5, Frasor 6-2, Lawson 5-11(NBA), Ellington 6-4 (NBA)
2. MSU (2) - Suton 6-10, Walton 6-2
3. UCONN (4) - Adrien 6-7, Austrie 6-3, Price 6-3, Thabeet 7-3 (NBA)
4. Villanova (4) - Clark 6-7, Anderson 6-6, Cunningham 6-8, Reynolds 6-2 (NBA?)
5. Louisville (3) - Williams 6-6, McGee 5-10, Clark 6-7 (NBA)
6. Pitt (4) - Fields 5-10, Biggs 6-8, Young 6-8, Blair 6-7 (NBA)
7. Oklahoma (3) - Johnson 6-3, Griffin 6-7, Griffin 6-10 (NBA)
8. Missouri (3) - Carrol 6-8, Lyons 6-9, Lawrence 6-7
9. Memphis (3) - Dozier 6-9, Anderson 6-6, Evans 6-6 (NBA)
10. Kansas (0)
11. Duke (3) - Paulus 6-0, McClure 6-5, Henderson 6-5 (NBA?)
12. Syracuse (3) - Flynn 6-0 (NBA), Harris 6-4 (NBA), Devendorf 6-4 (NBA)
13. Gonzaga (4) - Pargo 6-2, Downs 6-8, Heytvelt 6-11, Daye 6-10 (NBA?)
14. Purdue (2) - Green 6-6, Calasan 6-9
15. Xavier (2) - Raymond 6-6, Anderson 6-6
16. Washington (2) - Dentmon 5-11, Brockman 6-7
17. LSU (4) - Thornton 6-4, Martin 6-6, Temple 6-6, Johnson 6-11
18. UCLA (4) - Collison 6-0, Shipp 6-4, Aboya 6-9, Holliday 6-3 (NBA?)
19. ASU (2) - Pendergraph 6-9, Harden 6-5 (NBA)
20. WFU (3) - Hale 6-3, Johnson 6-8 (NBA), Teague 6-2 (NBA?)
21. Marquette (4) - James 5-11, Burke 6-8, McNeil 6-3, Matthews 6-5
22. FSU (2) - Douglas 6-2, Echefu 6-8
23. Texas (3) - Abrams 5-11, Atchley 6-10, James 6-5 (NBA?)
24. Arizona (3) - Budinger 6-6 (NBA), Hill 6-10 (NBA), Wise 5-10 (NBA?)
25. Butler (0)

[Newton_14]

There are now 76 U.S. College underclassmen that have declared for the draft.

Add in another 28 International declaree's and there are a total of 104 early entrant guys hoping to get drafted. That does not include college seniors who are eligible as well.

Trouble is there are only 60 spots in the 2 rounds of the NBA draft. So at least 44 of the early entrants will go undrafted.

Some will pull out and return to school of course, but that is still a large number that for sure will not get picked.

It would be interesting to revisit the list a year from now and see how many of the early entrant guys that did not pull out, ended up on an NBA roster, or ended up in the NBDL, Overseas, or out of luck altogether.

[Bluedog]

Patterson to return to Kentucky

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...jk_1QD982AI780

[geraldsneighbor]

Patterson to return to Kentucky

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...jk_1QD982AI780

Wow. Things are getting very interesting. I thought he was surely going to stay in being he was a top 25 pick at worst.

[MarkD83]

There are now 76 U.S. College underclassmen that have declared for the draft.

Add in another 28 International declaree's and there are a total of 104 early entrant guys hoping to get drafted. That does not include college seniors who are eligible as well.

Trouble is there are only 60 spots in the 2 rounds of the NBA draft. So at least 44 of the early entrants will go undrafted.

Some will pull out and return to school of course, but that is still a large number that for sure will not get picked.

It would be interesting to revisit the list a year from now and see how many of the early entrant guys that did not pull out, ended up on an NBA roster, or ended up in the NBDL, Overseas, or out of luck altogether.

You could revisit this every year and every year the players do not learn. The NBA GMs are in a cut throat business and like any business the best way to get a deal is for supply to exceed demand. No matter how good or bad a player is I guarantee that any GM that is any good will tell a player they are better than they are. Agents will do the same thing. They need a large supply of players in order make the most money.

I have tried to not comment on G's situation or Wall's or anyone else that want to get to the NBA. However, fair warning to anyone that wants to go to the NBA. This is all about business and your worth will always be inflated by GMs and agents so that there will be ample players in the draft. Ample players in the draft means that so good to great players will be available in the 2nd round or be free agents and GMs can get good/great players inexpensively.

[MarkD83]

Sorry about the grammar. I can't seem to get back in to fix it.

[whereinthehellami]

Below is a list of the ESPN/USA mens Top 25 teams with the players that they are losing, either to senior attrition, the draft, or to transfer. Only players who averaged over 10 MPG are included.

I did this last year also, in case anyone wants to compare.

1. UNC (5) - Hansborough 6-9, Green 6-5, Frasor 6-2, Lawson 5-11(NBA), Ellington 6-4 (NBA)
2. MSU (2) - Suton 6-10, Walton 6-2
3. UCONN (4) - Adrien 6-7, Austrie 6-3, Price 6-3, Thabeet 7-3 (NBA)
4. Villanova (3) - Clark 6-7, Anderson 6-6, Cunningham 6-8
5. Louisville (3) - Williams 6-6, McGee 5-10, Clark 6-7 (NBA)
6. Pitt (4) - Fields 5-10, Biggs 6-8, Young 6-8, Blair 6-7 (NBA)
7. Oklahoma (3) - Johnson 6-3, Griffin 6-7, Griffin 6-10 (NBA)
8. Missouri (3) - Carrol 6-8, Lyons 6-9, Lawrence 6-7
9. Memphis (3) - Dozier 6-9, Anderson 6-6, Evans 6-6 (NBA)
10. Kansas (0)
11. Duke (3) - Paulus 6-0, McClure 6-5, Henderson 6-5 (NBA)
12. Syracuse (3) - Flynn 6-0 (NBA), Harris 6-4 (NBA), Devendorf 6-4 (NBA)
13. Gonzaga (4) - Pargo 6-2, Downs 6-8, Heytvelt 6-11, Daye 6-10 (NBA?)
14. Purdue (2) - Green 6-6, Calasan 6-9
15. Xavier (2) - Raymond 6-6, Anderson 6-6
16. Washington (2) - Dentmon 5-11, Brockman 6-7
17. LSU (4) - Thornton 6-4, Martin 6-6, Temple 6-6, Johnson 6-11
18. UCLA (4) - Collison 6-0, Shipp 6-4, Aboya 6-9, Holliday 6-3 (NBA?)
19. ASU (2) - Pendergraph 6-9, Harden 6-5 (NBA)
20. WFU (3) - Hale 6-3, Johnson 6-8 (NBA), Teague 6-2 (NBA?)
21. Marquette (4) - James 5-11, Burke 6-8, McNeil 6-3, Matthews 6-5
22. FSU (2) - Douglas 6-2, Echefu 6-8
23. Texas (3) - Abrams 5-11, Atchley 6-10, James 6-5 (NBA?)
24. Arizona (3) - Budinger 6-6 (NBA), Hill 6-10 (NBA), Wise 5-10 (NBA?)
25. Butler (0)

[Cell-R]

Below is a list of the ESPN/USA mens Top 25 teams with the players that they are losing, either to senior attrition, the draft, or to transfer. Only players who averaged over 10 MPG are included.

I did this last year also, in case anyone wants to compare.

1. UNC (5) - Hansborough 6-9, Green 6-5, Frasor 6-2, Lawson 5-11(NBA), Ellington 6-4 (NBA)
2. MSU (2) - Suton 6-10, Walton 6-2
3. UCONN (4) - Adrien 6-7, Austrie 6-3, Price 6-3, Thabeet 7-3 (NBA)
4. Villanova (3) - Clark 6-7, Anderson 6-6, Cunningham 6-8
5. Louisville (3) - Williams 6-6, McGee 5-10, Clark 6-7 (NBA)
6. Pitt (4) - Fields 5-10, Biggs 6-8, Young 6-8, Blair 6-7 (NBA)
7. Oklahoma (3) - Johnson 6-3, Griffin 6-7, Griffin 6-10 (NBA)
8. Missouri (3) - Carrol 6-8, Lyons 6-9, Lawrence 6-7
9. Memphis (3) - Dozier 6-9, Anderson 6-6, Evans 6-6 (NBA)
10. Kansas (0)
11. Duke (3) - Paulus 6-0, McClure 6-5, Henderson 6-5 (NBA)
12. Syracuse (3) - Flynn 6-0 (NBA), Harris 6-4 (NBA), Devendorf 6-4 (NBA)
13. Gonzaga (4) - Pargo 6-2, Downs 6-8, Heytvelt 6-11, Daye 6-10 (NBA?)
14. Purdue (2) - Green 6-6, Calasan 6-9
15. Xavier (2) - Raymond 6-6, Anderson 6-6
16. Washington (2) - Dentmon 5-11, Brockman 6-7
17. LSU (4) - Thornton 6-4, Martin 6-6, Temple 6-6, Johnson 6-11
18. UCLA (4) - Collison 6-0, Shipp 6-4, Aboya 6-9, Holliday 6-3 (NBA?)
19. ASU (2) - Pendergraph 6-9, Harden 6-5 (NBA)
20. WFU (3) - Hale 6-3, Johnson 6-8 (NBA), Teague 6-2 (NBA?)
21. Marquette (4) - James 5-11, Burke 6-8, McNeil 6-3, Matthews 6-5
22. FSU (2) - Douglas 6-2, Echefu 6-8
23. Texas (3) - Abrams 5-11, Atchley 6-10, James 6-5 (NBA?)
24. Arizona (3) - Budinger 6-6 (NBA), Hill 6-10 (NBA), Wise 5-10 (NBA?)
25. Butler (0)

I don't understand how people think UNC will be in the Top 10 after losing talent like that. Sure they will have an amazing recruiting class, and decent players, but even the best freshman won't make up for the experience they are losing.