Lost (4/11)

[BluDevilGal]

I guess what I meant was wondering whether it was necessary for Ethan to inject Claire at all for the baby to be born. It seems likely that it wasn't since Rousseau delivered her baby fine. But I think you are right, Feldspar, that whatever they did it was in order to get the baby not because of any concern for Claire beyond her delivering a healthy child.

[mr. synellinden]

... which is an excellent point about what Jack knows:

"At the beginning of the show when Sayid, Kate, Jack and Juliette were walking back to the camp Juliette asked when they were going to come around. Jack said something. THEN, she said "I don't think so. My people tied Sayid to a playground for three days and I dragged Kate into the forest, handcuffed her, and lied about it." I rewound it twice to listen again. Did Jack actually hear what she said? She just admitted that she didn't get left behind!!!! Did anyone else catch this!?"

If this is not a production error, Jack knows exactly what's going on.

[BlueDiablo]

... which is an excellent point about what Jack knows:

"At the beginning of the show when Sayid, Kate, Jack and Juliette were walking back to the camp Juliette asked when they were going to come around. Jack said something. THEN, she said "I don't think so. My people tied Sayid to a playground for three days and I dragged Kate into the forest, handcuffed her, and lied about it." I rewound it twice to listen again. Did Jack actually hear what she said? She just admitted that she didn't get left behind!!!! Did anyone else catch this!?"

If this is not a production error, Jack knows exactly what's going on.

Not exactly. Juliet already confessed to Kate that she lied about being gassed, so she had to do the same with Jack to keep the story consistent. From the final scene with Ben, we knew that this was a pre-prepared plan B (fessing up to handcuffing herself to Kate), so her comments to Jack don't really tell us anything.

[dukeblueyes]

I don't think Juliet admitted to anything other than being insecure and how awful the Others have treated the beachies. While, yes, she dragged Kate and tried to create a sisterly, "we're-in-this-thing-together!" kind of bond through matching metal bracelets, she could have done that AFTER being "left behind" (that phrase still reminds me of that christian book about the rapture). We know she did this as part of an evil plan because we see Ben hand her the gas mask, but to Jack, she could have woken up from being gassed and then created that situation on her own. Jack probably thinks it was her desperate attempt to insert herself into a group after being banished and branded by the Others.
By the way, when Juliet reveled to Kate that she had the handcuff key and turned on the fence, I was totally hoping Kate would just push her into the security fence and watch her ears bleed. Now THAT would have been a better ending to a catfight.

[BCGroup]

I just forgot last night--didn't watch it, didn't record. Reading the posts is a bit fragmented--anyone willing to give me a short summary? Thanks.

[BluDevilGal]

BCGroup- you could watch it on abc.com- or maybe someone else will take you up on the episode summary- sorry, I don't have time at the moment :-)

[BCGroup]

I'll try it online, but a thanks for the person who sent me this link
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034600,00.html

[Son of Jarhead]

That is exactly what I thought at the time, Re: the sub.

A few (of many) questions I have???

-Was all that stuff about Juliet needing to be tranquelized because it was such a rough trip just a way to cover the destination, or could it really be something weird that those not used to it would get very ill or go nuts? Maybe a "time" related problem?

-Did anybody else notice: It says "Male" in the top right corner of the medical report that Ben showed Juliet when he said Rachel's cancer was back? I wonder if that was Ben's medical report. (which would mean that he knew he had cancer.)

-"HERARAT" Aviation, an anagram for Amelia EARHART?" The name on the wall in the airport when Juliet drank the juiced juice. Maybe the skeletal couple in the caves was Amelia & her Navigator?

-Is time extremely slowed down on the island, or sped up? They keep putting in little time references all the time... this episode had Ben saying "We've got some time" to Juliet after the plane crash, & Sawyer saying "We've got all the time in the world" to Juliet when she was retrieving the med case. Any others in this episode?

(bad pun warning) This show has so many layers it is easy to get lost in. (Not that I mind... great entertainment!)

[gus]

-Did anybody else notice: It says "Male" in the top right corner of the medical report that Ben showed Juliet when he said Rachel's cancer was back? I wonder if that was Ben's medical report. (which would mean that he knew he had cancer.)

-"HERARAT" Aviation, an anagram for Amelia EARHART?" The name on the wall in the airport when Juliet drank the juiced juice. Maybe the skeletal couple in the caves was Amelia & her Navigator?

Good points! I don't know why I believed Ben when he said her cancer re-appeared! That seems like such an obvious answer for how he was able to "cure" her, but not himself.

Great spot on the anagram. I doubt they'll make adam and ever Ameila Earhart, but who knows...

[johnb]

Herarat can be both Earhart and Her a rat. I agree with Jason: the emphasis on her being a bad guy makes it more likely that she is a good guy, at least for the moment.

I'm still not getting how Jack could have mellowed so dramatically towards the Others. Surely it wasn't simply that he became jealous of Sawyer and Kate. He has a huge anti-authority bias--he did turn in his father after all--and his playing ball with the bad guys is puzzling.

Everyone arrives through a storm, apparently, and it doesn't seem to storm on the island. I agree that the submarine could be a plant, though it is a pretty elaborate plant. Do we think that Michael & Son actually got back to civilization? Seems more likely that they are circling the island or something, but if so, shouldn't they have starved or come back? And if they did that, wouldn't Ben be seen as a liar? Has he definitely lied yet?

[johnb]

It could also be Terra Ha, implying perhaps, "Earth? Ha!"

And/Or Herarat could obliquely refer to Ararat, which is where Noah's ark got stuck, a reference that would inform the fertility issue, the casting out of the unrighteous, the use of boats, the needing to expand the two by two thing, and the occasional polar bear.

[mr. synellinden]

Not exactly. Juliet already confessed to Kate that she lied about being gassed, so she had to do the same with Jack to keep the story consistent. From the final scene with Ben, we knew that this was a pre-prepared plan B (fessing up to handcuffing herself to Kate), so her comments to Jack don't really tell us anything.

... so this doesn't really prove Jack is in on or knows anything about Juliet's true intentinos, but I still also wonder if there is more to Jack being so trusting of Juliet - letting her go to the jungle alone, letting her administer drugs to Claire, bringing her back in the first place, etc. Why does he trust her so much now (because he saw how much she wants to go home?) when he didn't when he was being held captive? If he trusted her so much, why did he agree to do the surgery in the first place?

[JasonEvans]

Have we ever seen the sub in action? I know it was widely assumed that the Others used the sub to get to the sailboat that they took from Sun, Jin, and Sayid (when sun shot and killed that other woman, Colleen) but we never saw it then.

Clearly, when Juliet woke up in her flashback, she was in the sub but we have no way of knowing if the sub actually took her to the island. She had been drugged and has no idea how she got there. I think we can all assume that something about the way the Others get to the island is being hidden. Otherwise, why bother with the tranquilizer scene with Juliet?

I am betting that the sub is NOT how the Others get on an off the island.

Also, there is a school of thought that Locke did not destroy the sub. After all, he is dripping wet when he is on the dock when he blows up the sub. If he just got on the sub, planted his plastic explosives, and then got off then he would not get wet. He only gets wet if he takes the sub somewhere else (perhaps he sinks it in the lagoon?) and then swam back to the dock and set up the explosives so it would appear he was blowing the sub up.

-Jason "as for the issue of 'time' on the island, it feels like something is up, but I have not even begun to figure that out yet" Evans

[BluDevilGal]

-"HERARAT" Aviation, an anagram for Amelia EARHART?" The name on the wall in the airport when Juliet drank the juiced juice. Maybe the skeletal couple in the caves was Amelia & her Navigator?

Sometime last year, I had that thought that Amelia Earhart must have crashed on the Lost island, so that's amusing if the show is making a veiled reference to that idea- guess I'm not the only one that thought of it.

[365Duke]

but the acting is so good on this show that I think that is what draws even more people in. I commented last night, after watching it again, to a friend about how good Ben is as an actor. I would not be surprised to see him nominated for a lot of awards for his extended role this year.


http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/bio...hael%20Emerson


Emerson has a quality about him that I think is rare in actors. In different ways, like Don Knotts facial expressions, you know almost what is coming before it is even said. I can't believe I just compared "Ben" to Don Knotts. Forgive me Barney RIP . Heck even Charles Logan had the same quality as much as I hated him .


And what the heck is the significance of the "Downtown" song???

It has been everywhere, this is like the 5th or 6th time that we have gone to a seen with someone, all in different places, listening to that song. uh-oh maybe that has something to do with the time issue

[MarineTwinsDad]

When talking with Locke, Ben told him that he was born on the island. Not only does this raise the question of survival of birth, but elongates the events taking place there. Was the island always afflicted with the strange magnetism. I wonder if thre were in fact an alien landing on the island (smoke creature) who was either drawn in by the magnetism, or who caused it.

An alternative would be the possiblility mentioned above, that the enclosed property includes a lake with specific features designed to generate human crises in order to study people. Ben's conversations with Julie indicates that women died in connection with pregnancy. To allow women to die seems cruel, but then again, who is to say they really died, but simply disappeared with the bodies supposedly buried.

Question: with the sub gone, doesn't that mean there is no way off the island, and explosion of the magnetic hatch caused all contact with the outside world to be nullified?

[johnb]

If Noah's Ark is part of the mythology of the island (Air Herarat/Mount Ararat, the casting out of the unrighteous, boats, storms), then the Bible clearly says that no one was meant to "conceive" while on the boat. I'm thinking they have been told not to engage in carnal knowledge, and punishment on the island tends not to be subtle.

That part of Genesis also talks a lot about who begat whom, and we are certainly getting a lot of info about the sexual habits of the parents.

[Jarhead]

What happened to that couple who were both bitten by spiders? I recall the last scene on that show was their burial. When the scene went to black as a shovel full of dirt was going in the grave, the womans eye opened. It was disclosed in that episode that the spider bites only caused a brief period of a death-like coma. So what gives? Did I miss an episode?

[GDT]

What happened to that couple who were both bitten by spiders? I recall the last scene on that show was their burial. When the scene went to black as a shovel full of dirt was going in the grave, the womans eye opened. It was disclosed in that episode that the spider bites only caused a brief period of a death-like coma. So what gives? Did I miss an episode?

No, that was the last we saw of them, buried alive.

[snowdenscold]

but I still also wonder if there is more to Jack being so trusting of Juliet - letting her go to the jungle alone,

This puzzled me as well. I couldn't believe a single person didn't go with her. Not only did Jack not seem to mind, but Kate just stood there and said nothing as well.


Still confused how they know all the details of everyone's lives - that Sawyer knowledge really boggled my mind.