Baseless Speculation about Paulus and Football

[BlueintheFace]

... this thread is still rolling? I'm impressed.

[devildeac]

All-American golfer.

We were trying to get SupaDave to figure it out, especially after his ping-pong and bowling guesses.

[Bluedog]

We were trying to get SupaDave to figure it out, especially after his ping-pong and bowling guesses.

Yeah, it was too painful to watch. I needed it to end. Plus, as I said, the answer was already stated on page 3 of this thread.

[SupaDave]

We were trying to get SupaDave to figure it out, especially after his ping-pong and bowling guesses.

I was informed shortly after the post actually (and I appreciate it) BUT there's STILL not a lot of 46 year olds busting tail off the street!

[formerdukeathlete]

The point of Chuck's post is that folks with superior talent (like his in golf) can pick up a sport and quickly get back to where they were.

Bobby Jones played golf part of the year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jones_(golfer) mixing in studies at Georgia Tech, Emory, and Harvard in the midst of his playing career. Yet, when he picked up his clubs, he was quickly in championship form.

Is it not ironic that we just got a verbal for 2010 in Football who is also approved to walk-on in Basketball. What, play both sports at Duke, how crazy?!

Greg Paulus was offered the qb job at Notre Dame and Miami, without assurances, but with the expectation that he would be the starter and that an offense would be built around him. Renfree was not offered by either school. Miami's interest in Lewis was limited to as an "athlete" and they did not offer for that because he did not meet their threshold. Asack was offered by Notre Dame, but as a d-back, potential tight end, not as a qb. The guys who determine whom to offer have more experience and capability than many posters. Chuck's point is well-founded, Paulus has superior talent. Many agree that he might have been better suited for Football. At the end of the day, if he wants, he will be looking at a free year of graduate school somewhere with a chance to play Football. If Duke does not offer him that chance, he may go elsewhere and then return to Duke after that to work with K. What is baseless about this speculation? Certainly not that Greg Paulus was much more highly recruited as a quarterback than any of our current qbs. Oh, yeah, anyone out there know Greg's dad, or speak with Dr. White on this matter, as to your assertions that this is so obviously an impossibility.

[jimsumner]

What, pray tell, does Kevin White have to do with any of this?

I'm pretty sure he and Coach Cutcliffe don't get together and discuss the depth chart on a regular basis.

[devildeac]

Like the new title for this well-worn thread/topic

[yancem]

The point of Chuck's post is that folks with superior talent (like his in golf) can pick up a sport and quickly get back to where they were.

Bobby Jones played golf part of the year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jones_(golfer) mixing in studies at Georgia Tech, Emory, and Harvard in the midst of his playing career. Yet, when he picked up his clubs, he was quickly in championship form.

Is it not ironic that we just got a verbal for 2010 in Football who is also approved to walk-on in Basketball. What, play both sports at Duke, how crazy?!

Greg Paulus was offered the qb job at Notre Dame and Miami, without assurances, but with the expectation that he would be the starter and that an offense would be built around him. Renfree was not offered by either school. Miami's interest in Lewis was limited to as an "athlete" and they did not offer for that because he did not meet their threshold. Asack was offered by Notre Dame, but as a d-back, potential tight end, not as a qb. The guys who determine whom to offer have more experience and capability than many posters. Chuck's point is well-founded, Paulus has superior talent. Many agree that he might have been better suited for Football. At the end of the day, if he wants, he will be looking at a free year of graduate school somewhere with a chance to play Football. If Duke does not offer him that chance, he may go elsewhere and then return to Duke after that to work with K. What is baseless about this speculation? Certainly not that Greg Paulus was much more highly recruited as a quarterback than any of our current qbs. Oh, yeah, anyone out there know Greg's dad, or speak with Dr. White on this matter, as to your assertions that this is so obviously an impossibility.

I think the two most important questions are 1) does he want to play football next year? and 2) Are schools interested in gambling on him for only 1 year? I would think that a school would have to be either hurting for a qb or have a pretty bad team to use a scholarship on a player who has been out of the sport for 4 years and can only be of service for 1. I don't doubt that he has the talent to play college football if he is given enough time to get back into his grove but it would likely take most of a season to do so.

[Papa John]

The point of Chuck's post is that folks with superior talent (like his in golf) can pick up a sport and quickly get back to where they were.

Bobby Jones played golf part of the year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jones_(golfer) mixing in studies at Georgia Tech, Emory, and Harvard in the midst of his playing career. Yet, when he picked up his clubs, he was quickly in championship form.

Is it not ironic that we just got a verbal for 2010 in Football who is also approved to walk-on in Basketball. What, play both sports at Duke, how crazy?!

Greg Paulus was offered the qb job at Notre Dame and Miami, without assurances, but with the expectation that he would be the starter and that an offense would be built around him. Renfree was not offered by either school. Miami's interest in Lewis was limited to as an "athlete" and they did not offer for that because he did not meet their threshold. Asack was offered by Notre Dame, but as a d-back, potential tight end, not as a qb. The guys who determine whom to offer have more experience and capability than many posters. Chuck's point is well-founded, Paulus has superior talent. Many agree that he might have been better suited for Football. At the end of the day, if he wants, he will be looking at a free year of graduate school somewhere with a chance to play Football. If Duke does not offer him that chance, he may go elsewhere and then return to Duke after that to work with K. What is baseless about this speculation? Certainly not that Greg Paulus was much more highly recruited as a quarterback than any of our current qbs. Oh, yeah, anyone out there know Greg's dad, or speak with Dr. White on this matter, as to your assertions that this is so obviously an impossibility.

This is nuts! We're comparing golf in the era of Bobby Jones to Division 1 college football?

Paulus may have indeed been a superior QB talent during his high school career, but he hasn't honed that skill set for four years. Putting aside for a moment the fact that the college game is a dramatic step up from the competition Greg played in HS both speed- and skill-wise... It generally takes at least a season for a QB to truly learn an offensive system, then another season to actually grow comfortable and come up to speed within that system. What coach in their right mind would possibly burn a scholarship on an unproven QB who would simply be around for that first season of learning, with a guarantee of absolutely no payoff in ensuing years due to lack of eligibility?

[SupaDave]

This is nuts! We're comparing golf in the era of Bobby Jones to Division 1 college football?

Paulus may have indeed been a superior QB talent during his high school career, but he hasn't honed that skill set for four years. Putting aside for a moment the fact that the college game is a dramatic step up from the competition Greg played in HS both speed- and skill-wise... It generally takes at least a season for a QB to truly learn an offensive system, then another season to actually grow comfortable and come up to speed within that system. What coach in their right mind would possibly burn a scholarship on an unproven QB who would simply be around for that first season of learning, with a guarantee of absolutely no payoff in ensuing years due to lack of eligibility?

Don't know about the coaches being in their right mind BUT...

Actually this is easy:

Professionally - the New York Jets

College - Jacksonville State THIS year...
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3396155

[formerdukeathlete]

This is nuts! We're comparing golf in the era of Bobby Jones to Division 1 college football?

Paulus may have indeed been a superior QB talent during his high school career, but he hasn't honed that skill set for four years. Putting aside for a moment the fact that the college game is a dramatic step up from the competition Greg played in HS both speed- and skill-wise... It generally takes at least a season for a QB to truly learn an offensive system, then another season to actually grow comfortable and come up to speed within that system. What coach in their right mind would possibly burn a scholarship on an unproven QB who would simply be around for that first season of learning, with a guarantee of absolutely no payoff in ensuing years due to lack of eligibility?

PJ, Paulus is a lot smarter than you give him credit for, and in the three years he has had off, so far, these are not years off of athletic endeavor. In fact, notwithstanding injuries, Paulus appears quicker to this poster now than he was as a freshman. Asack and Lewis started as true freshman learning the system. Paulus is fully emersed with d-1 speed, as a point guard. I suggest watching some of his film from high school. Guy could scramble, throw on the run, throw from the pocket. His passes were just about always catchable, on the money. Breaking down in fundamentals, which if you listen to Cut's comments about our game with Wake, is what happened when we went for broke in OT, with a qb thinking "touchdown, touchdown," jumping the gun and not protecting the ball. Greg had absolutely superior fundamentals in high school. He would bring that to one year of college ball. Decision making is a skill honed as a point guard.

As to what programs might consider giving Greg a scholarship and or a roster spot. I am pretty certain most would give him a roster spot. Some would give up one of their scholarships, after a successful tryout, especially considering that it is only one year.

[MulletMan]

Don't know about the coaches being in their right mind BUT...

Actually this is easy:

Professionally - the New York Jets

College - Jacksonville State THIS year...
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3396155

ummm... OK, how many ways is Perilloux different from Paulus?

1. He just played on the National Championship team last year in arguably one of the best conferences in college football.
2. He will have 2 years of eligibility at JSU, because he dropped down to the FCS subdivision and therefore didn't have to sit out a year.
3. He will play against inferior competetition.
4. He was low risk because the coaches had seen him play for 2 years at LSU.
5. His offseason energies have been focused on football, not another sport, during his time at LSU. Well, football and drinking, apparently.

The situation is analagous only because you're talking about a QB who transfered. Other than that, there's not a lick of similiarity.

[SupaDave]

ummm... OK, how many ways is Perilloux different from Paulus?

1. He just played on the National Championship team last year in arguably one of the best conferences in college football.
2. He will have 2 years of eligibility at JSU, because he dropped down to the FCS subdivision and therefore didn't have to sit out a year.
3. He will play against inferior competetition.
4. He was low risk because the coaches had seen him play for 2 years at LSU.
5. His offseason energies have been focused on football, not another sport, during his time at LSU. Well, football and drinking, apparently.

The situation is analagous only because you're talking about a QB who transfered. Other than that, there's not a lick of similiarity.

What coach in their right mind would possibly burn a scholarship on an unproven QB who would simply be around for that first season of learning, with a guarantee of absolutely no payoff in ensuing years due to lack of eligibility?

Hmmm... Aren't we talking about the possibility of Paulus playing anywhere?

Let's take a look... Jacksonville State DID take a chance of Ryan P.

1) Correction - he WATCHED the National Championship game from the sidelines.

2) Two years of eligibility - yes - but there's no guarantee he stays healthy (or eligible) after year one. He's been in all kinds of messy situations.

3) Inferior competition? Possibly but his first game this year was against Georgia Tech. For two seasons at LSU, he backed up starters JaMarcus Russell and Matt Flynn. He's been a career back-up QB. He's in D-1AA now but I think App State has proven that you can't sleep on these teams too often. But what's the level of competition got to do with ACTUALLY playing? Playing is playing.

4) Redshirt in 2005, 3rd string QB who threw one pass in 2006, Excellent performance in TWO starts (one against Middle Tennesee) on a stacked team in 2007. Even Rex Grossman has had some good games. He was STILL taken based on potential b/c he had no laundry list of stats (but he did have lists of other things). And I repeat - he had played in THREE games...

5) SUSPENDED three times in ONE year.

-On May 22, 2007, LSU head coach Les Miles suspended Perrilloux from the football team indefinitely after the player was issued a misdemeanor summons by police when he allegedly tried to use his brother’s driver’s license to get onto the Hollywood Casino gambling boat.

-On February 18, 2008, Coach Miles indefinitely suspended Perrilloux for violating team rules. Perrilloux's transgressions included missing classes, workouts and at least one team meeting.

-On May 2, 2008, LSU head coach Les Miles kicked Perrilloux off the team for "not fulfilling his obligation" as an LSU student-athlete.[19] He is reported to have a failed a drug test due to marijuana, missed a team meeting, skipped classes and was late for a handful of conditioning workouts.

-May 14, 2008 - GONE...

Perrilloux's situation actually makes Paulus looks like a GREAT grab. Different in MANY ways but most of them are in favor of a team taking a chance on Paulus.

Oh and he's playing great right now. So you're telling me that a team wouldn't take a chance on Paulus?

Injuries happen and what Coach wouldn't want an athletic, smart, tough, mature, back-up QB?

[DukieBoy]

He still has 4 years of football eligibility left. Put him in a football uni and lets see him starting layin' people out and throwing bombs downfield

[Carlos]

I think that with the way the NCAA regulations are he would only have 1 year of football eligibility. I could be wrong, but the way I remember the regulation is that you have 5 years to complete your athletic career, regardless of the sport and 4 years of playing time in any one sport. Exemptions can be granted for injury or if you go on a Mormon mission.

[CDu]

As Carlos pointed out, Greg has one more year to play a varsity sport (other than basketball). He would have to be enrolled in school, of course. This can be at Duke or somewhere else, even d-1a. I know of one BCS program which is interested in talking with Greg about playing Football in the fall. Their hoops team also is still in the tourney. Greg has to be interested, but if he is interested, his Football career does not have to be over.

First, I'd be shocked if Paulus (having not played a down of football in 4 years and never at a college level) would be capable of playing at a Division-I level next year. That's not a knock on Paulus - it's just incredibly unlikely that ANY kid who hasn't played above the high school level (and hasn't played for four years) would be able to compete right away.

Further, don't the NCAA transfer rules still apply even though it's a different sport? In other words, wouldn't he be unable to transfer to another Division-1 FBS school without sitting out the year? If so, that would suggest his options are Duke or a Division-I FCS school only, as next year would be his fifth.

Regardless of the second point, I simply can't see Paulus being a capable D-1 QB next year after so much time and zero exposure to that level of competition.

[DukieBoy]

First, I'd be shocked if Paulus (having not played a down of football in 4 years and never at a college level) would be capable of playing at a Division-I level next year. That's not a knock on Paulus - it's just incredibly unlikely that ANY kid who hasn't played above the high school level (and hasn't played for four years) would be able to compete right away.

Further, don't the NCAA transfer rules still apply even though it's a different sport? In other words, wouldn't he be unable to transfer to another Division-1 FBS school without sitting out the year? If so, that would suggest his options are Duke or a Division-I FCS school only, as next year would be his fifth.

Regardless of the second point, I simply can't see Paulus being a capable D-1 QB next year after so much time and zero exposure to that level of competition.

Couldn't Greg just enroll at graduate school at Duke and play on their football team? No transfer rules apply and he could get one more year of the Duke environment.

[CDu]

Couldn't Greg just enroll at graduate school at Duke and play on their football team? No transfer rules apply and he could get one more year of the Duke environment.

I'm sure he could (assuming Duke had scholarship space), but would you really want to suffer through graduate courses and football practices just to be a backup QB for a bad football team? He'd really have to want to experience one more year of the Duke environment to subject himself to that much work.

[Duvall]

I'm sure he could (assuming Duke had scholarship space), but would you really want to suffer through graduate courses and football practices just to be a backup QB for a bad football team? He'd really have to want to experience one more year of the Duke environment to subject himself to that much work.

Plus, he's much too short to ever be an effective quarterback.

[calltheobvious]

Plus, he's much too short to ever be an effective quarterback.

I'm guessing this comment is a joke related to previous discussions I missed? Because otherwise...