I'd like to thank whomever notified security.
I blame the C/CPC for the inadequate water/refreshment facilities that led to a number of people fainting from heatstroke during the Navy game (including an 84 year old OB-GYN and Duke Alum from Greensboro, whom my wife had to assist) and the enormous lines for inadequate restroom facilities that my wife, who is now 32 weeks pregnant had to endure. (At halftime, it took 25+ minutes of standing in line to reach the ladies' room behind sections 31/32, and there was still a line when we returned to our seats, well into the 3rd quarter.)
I am not sure White agrees with you about the priorities.
Wade is woefully inadequate in a number of respects...amenities in terms of bathrooms, sure, but also as a football venue it is inadequate in two respects. The track, putting fans so far off the sidelines...and capacity is not at the critical level at which the Football Program can be a revenue add, rather than a rev. drag on the Athletic Department budget.
You want home and away game with Alabama? And the home game played in Durham? Have to be able to seat more than 33k people.
Attendance drags because of the track, imo..Anyone watch the USC Notre Dame game who remembers watching a game in the Coliseum before the track was removed? Its night and day. How about Ohio State....fans rave about the change there.
I can say in my opinion with absolutely certainty in my mind the following:
1. fixation on the stop gap fix the bathrooms and concessions and stop and wait from there is the wrong approach. White is looking at a comprehensive redo, removing the track and planning on bathrooms, concessions, club seats in an intergrated design. It was a blessing that Durham held up the stop gap.
2. Wade is the worst stadium in Division 1-a. Its an embarassment and hurts recruiting.
3. Fixing the stadium situation is more important than the indoor practice facility.
Re my third point I actually think K. White believes fixing Wade is more important than an indoor practice facility, that this will have more near term and longer term benefits for the program. It is also possible that an indoor facility may be contiguous to Wade and therefore that it will be part of the overall stadium redo footprint. The problem is raising the money, in the post stock market crash environment.
I 'm advocating rest rooms and concession stands that would be acceptable on a high school level. The experience at WW has to improve along with team if we are going to be respectable in the future. Pretty easy to recruit against Duke when a kid's dad has to walk through a cess pool and wait in line for 30-45 minutes for a drink.
In a previous thread back in May or so, I outlined a very simple solution to the pedestrian path/sidewalk along Frank Bassett Drive: Move the fence on the south side back ten feet and put the sidewalk behind the trees that VP Trask said had to be removed. It's not easy to park along Bassett, or on the grass field next to it, and try to get in and out with the pedestrians in the street. This is something that better crowd control could improve (why do we pay all those people in yellow, and not plan on using them for both ingress and egress. In particular, the intersection of Bassett and Science Drive, where many paths cross, could use some actual traffic control, rather than a free-for-all.)
As far as I understand, the development review committee never approved the plans for the restrooms/concession stands. If you have different information about an official approval from the City, I would like to hear it.
Regarding the concession stands, I do not believe it's the facilities that cause the long lines, it's the inefficient methods of the volunteer groups that staff them. Of course, that would also include indifferent paid staff at other arenas, such as MSG. I do not mean that the volunteers lack effort, but more organization would help.) Newer facilities will certainly help, but inefficient staff and inadequate supplies (how do you run out of water at that previous game, and why do you not stock enough hot beverages yesterday?) will prevent significant improvement.
Regarding other facilities, I have the plans for the indoor practice field and halftime house on my table right now (disclaimer, I do not work for the city/county, however I am a member of a citizen's advisory commission that, as part of our role, reviews development plans. I did not review the plans for the restrooms.) The indoor practice field will be located on the last parking lot on Wannamaker, and the halftime house (for the visiting team) to the side of the (to be extended) outdoor practice field closest to WW. It appears the current field house will remain until the new one is finished, and then the field will be extended to full length. Much of the woods between the football fields and the Hart house will be removed to make room and connect the existing fields to the new indoor facility, as will part of the second outdoor field (the one closest to 751).
There is a note that indicates that a sidewalk along DU Road will be constructed before occupancy of either the indoor facility or the concession/restroom facilities, whichever comes first.
Thanks for the summary DU82. Do you have any feel for when some of the concepts you addressed will actually take place? Also, for most of us on this board, we know that buying a bottle of water during the game has been an ordeal. Do you think anyone in the Adminstration understands this? It seems like a win-win to be able to sell thousands of bottles of water at $3 a bottle.
I have nothing right now to base this on, but I would expect the restrooms and concessions to be built this year (well, before the next season starts.) I believe they are part of the future plans for the stadium, and can be built in stages. And, it would appear the new halftime house and indoor practice facility will take down more trees than the sidewalk on Bassett. :-)
Since someone mentioned the band -- is it just me or is the band substantially smaller this year than in previous years? Seems like the pep band has only like 1-2 sousaphones and ~4 trombones? (plenty of clareints!) I think in many ways the band SOUNDS better than it has in some recent years, but it also seems to be shrinking. Just curious. (/me was in the band 1 year only ~10 years ago)
Also, more rock lobster!
Being in the band is a commitment much like being on an athletic team, except that Duke offers no scholarships to recruit outstanding musicians or to entice students to commit the time required to prepare.
As for favorite songs for the band to play, my choice is obvious: "Devil with the Blue Dress On"!
I also know the topic of the track has been beaten to absolute death, but...
This year, while attendance was tremendously better than in the past few years, the stadium never looked full. Maybe one or two games looked as close as I've seen it, but never full. For multiple games--notably UNC and NCSU--their fans outnumbered our own (definitely more UNC fans, maybe 50/50 for state was my guess). This is pretty much the usual, but anyway...
If you add more seating at this point, isn't that problem just going to be exacerbated? The ticket office has been pretty much giving away tickets all year long, bringing in tons of groups, etc--what's going to happen with significantly increased seating? Not to mention parking and traffic direction, which is already a nightmare...
Is Wallace Wade an embarrassment that hurts recruiting? I have no idea. I would personally think the on the field performance, and the fact that it's Duke (as both a positive and negative) would be a far bigger factor. IMO, fix up the facilities (bathrooms), figure out some better parking plans,
and go from there. Duke's already putting a lot of money into the new football program and staff, and i think we should see what happens. We had a good first year, let's keep it going before revamping half the campus.
Very true. I personally didn't enjoy DUMB, but appreciate their hard work!Being in the band is a commitment much like being on an athletic team, except that Duke offers no scholarships to recruit outstanding musicians or to entice students to commit the time required to prepare.
Ozzie, your paradigm of optimism!
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The band is larger this year than it was a few years ago. But it's still a smaller band than it was when I was in the band (95-99). We peaked at over 120 people. Granted, losing some of the dead weight has been a good thing.
The issue of WW is a strategic one. At this point, are we going to have a Football Program or not? To remain in the ACC, we have to. The present value of ACC football-related revenue sharing for the next 20 years, imo most likely exceeds the aggegate costs being considered to upgrade the Football stadium and facilities. Go beyond there. The Iron Dukes fund about 240 athletic scholarships a year. Contributions are partly a function of interest in the Football program. De-emphasize Football - get dropped from the ACC and become, say a b-ball member of the Big East, and how many of these scholarships in the form of financial aid will need to be funded by the general university funds?
On the plus, removing the track and digging down is one of the lesser expensive ways to add good seats.
IMHO, I think renovating/expanding the stadium is necessary to the growth of the football program. Undoubtedly an expansion at this point will initially leave more empty seats or seats occupied by the opposition. But there are plenty of fans out there who like Duke and will come if the team is competitive, and we can fill a larger stadium. Right now our facilities (stadium and practice) are not ACC-caliber. Cutcliffe is bringing in a higher level of recruit and we will be competitive. Having better facilities and a larger crowd will help bring in better recruits, and propogate a cycle of success. If we're going to be committed to a program that can realistically strive for bowl eligibility year to year, improving our facilities is a part of that equation.