Bob Gibbons recently indicated that Patrick Paterson will follow Billy Donovan wherever he goes.....either Kentucky or Florida.
If Donovan goes to Kentucky then Jai Lucas would also folow.
Either way, not looking good for us and PP.
On a postive note it means more minutes for Zoubek and with the impact of the 7 footers in the NCAA this year (Oden, Hibbert, Gray etc...) that's a good thing.
Zoubek should be a monster by his junior year.
It also means Singler will play a lot of 4.
Personally I think Singler is the perfect Duke 4 but I'll post more about that later in the offseason.
what heppens if donovan goes to the nba???
I happen to disagree about Singler at the 4. Singler is most compared to Dunleavy who was more of a 3.
I have seen Singler live once, and watched him a couple of times on tv. He looks more comfortable on the wing, and shooting. He did a fine job posting up, but just looked better as a 3.
Now if you are saying Duke will run a 3-guard Lineup(which is most likely going to happen) Paulus, Scheyer/Henderson and Nelson.. Then Singler will be a 4 mainly because of height.
Dukes last NC came with a big lineup of Boozer, Battier and Dunleavy.. I would like to see Duke go big again. I think Singler would be a great 3.
I have been wrong many times, and im sure i will b e wrong many more times. I just feel Singler would be a better 3 in a big lineup Either way, Singler will be a special player. Go Duke
Dunleavy came to Duke as a 6' 6" skinny SF/SG. In highschool he always played on the perimeter and was never in the post. He eventually grew into his frame and filled out but he was always way more comfortable playing/defending the 2/3 postion.
Singler has always been 6' 8" to 6' 9" his entire highschool career and has ALWAYS defended the 4 and 5 positions on his highschool and AAU teams. That's the reason he averaged 10+ boards a game for his varsity career. Dunleavy never came close to that.
He's also a guy that scores a ton of points around the basket from putbacks, rebounds and post moves. Singler can shoot the three very well but he rarely relies on it to put up numbers (like Dunleavy did).
Singler relies on his mid range game and around the basket game and uses the three point shot to compliment his game (much like Battier did).
Grant it Singler defintely needs to add weight but the guy is a great positional defender (like Battier) and at 6' 9 with long arms he can more than hold his own against most ACC 4's.
He won't block a lot of shots but he won't give up many easy baskets.
Last edited by dukelion; 04-03-2007 at 03:39 PM.
Singler may well play lots of 3 for Duke down the road.
But next year? Let's assume for the sake of argument that PP goes elsewhere.
Let's assume that Singler plays mostly the 3.
In that scenario, Zoubek, Thomas, and McClure split 80 mpg at the 4/5
And Singler, Paulus, Nelson, Scheyer, Henderson, Smith, Pocius, and King split 120 mpg at the 1/2/3. Does anybody think this is even remotely possible? Or desirable? Or that King or Henderson plays the 4, with Singler at the 3?
If Duke gets Monroe and Gordon, then I can see Singler playing lots of small forward in 2009/10/11 but in a Patterson-not-at-Duke-universe next season, Singler is a 4.
Keep in mind that being a 4 at Duke doesn't mean being shackled to the blocks. There will be some mismatches with KS trying to guard a 240-pounder inside but that 240-pounder is going to have to guard Singler all over the floor, also, so I think it's going to be a net gain for Duke.
I don't see a reason why (if he is able to contribute) Taylor King couldn't do so at the four. He's is listed at 6'8 and appears to have some girth. One of the criticisms against him is the oh so trendy "lateral quickness," so letting him guard a bigger guy would solve some of those problems. He also had some gaudy rebounding numbers in high school (take that for what it is worth), which shows at least a willingness to hit the boards.
Offensively, it doesn't matter as much when running the motion. See Battier, Shane.
Does anyone see King starting ahead of Singler?
Does anyone see King and Singler both starting at forward?
Again, in this latter scenario King would be taking minutes from Nelson and/or Henderson and/or Scheyer and/or Smith . . . well, you get the drift.
a) K's tendency to go small
b) Duke relative lack of quality size
c) Duke's depth on the perimeter
I see no reason for Singler to get major minutes next season at the 3. I suspect King will play some 4 at Duke but more likely when Singler is resting not when Singler is playing the 3.
I thought Singler looked fantastic in the Big Mac game, but for those who did not, don't worry, he is a special player.
I have seen 2 full games of him playing (one against Nolan Smith's team) and he really stands out. Can score from anywhere at any time, is actually very quick for 6-8/9 and is quite polished. Their is a reason the recruiting sites rate him so high.
He can definitely play the 4 - he has the size, and in Duke's system, he would just be like Shane all over again. This of course assumes we have a Boozer or Brand or Shelden Williams like presence at the 5. Unfortunately, the only one who I can see doing this next year is Patterson. Thomas is a year away, and Zoubek may never get there.
Fortunately, as many have said, help is on the way (e.g., Monroe, etc.).
So if we don't get Patterson, I think next year we have a very exciting team, but one that gets really hurt inside and may lose a lot of games. But the following year (2008-09), I think the team can be great and similar to the 1997-98 team that lost to Kentucky - a great core of perimeter, WF, and SF players that added the bulk inside in the form of the freshman (i.e., Brand, Burgess, Battier).
I've been hearing that PP was gonna cut down to three shortly after Mc'd aa game. Haven't heard of that happening. Any one have any news on when that will happen or if it has happened who those three are..... Duke,Florida and???
Sure hope I'm wrong on this one.
singler and king CAN both play the four, but both would be playing out of position. Singler is a slightly more natural fit because he played it in high school quite a bit. King (if he makes it to the pros) would really be a 2-guard, which basically makes him a SF in our system and while we might be able to sneak him in some minutes at the 4, he isn't going to be able to do much defensively and will have limited effectiveness on the boards. Also, do not underrate how slow he is. King is REALLLLLY slow. If scheyer improves his shooting a little (King has got better range than scheyer right now) then I think scheyer/demarc/greg give us enough of an outside presence that we don't need another shooter and king will get VERY limited time.
I also believe we are way overrating PP as a 5. I have said this before, but we typically play guys that are really natural 4s at the 5 (Brand, Boozer, Sheld) and PP is way smaller (smaller = combo of height and weight) than those guys. The answer to our problems is Zoubek. He HAS to come along if we are going to make any combination of these guys work. Also, if Lance comes along, he an McClutch can hold down the 4 and let singler/king roam the wings when they are in.
I think its pretty obvious Duke is not Patterson's top choice. Had Kentucky committed to Tubby, Patterson would have signed with UK a long time ago. At Duke, he knows there's plenty of opportunity for playing time, a great coach who isn't going anywhere, talented players around him, etc.
I understand he wants to wait until the dust settles with the coaching carousal, but I'm just saying, if Duke was truly his top choice, does it matter what happens at Kentucky and Florida? I would love for Duke to add Patterson, but do we really want a guy who would have prefered to be at a different school?
It really shouldn't matter if someone is a true PF, C or SF in the Duke system. The only true position player Duke needs on the floor all of the time is a Point Guard. Other than that, everyone is interchangeable.
I remember seeing Coach K use this line up (more than a few times in 03-04):
Chris Duhon - G
Daniel Ewing - G
Sean Dockery - G
JJ Redick - G
Shelden Williams - F/C
Shoot, I've seen David McClure play effective minutes in the paint as a center/power forward.
If the system works and kids know their roles, then "true position titles" means little. In the college game, position title is a little more interchangeable than in the pro game. IMO.