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    anyone who just (insert your favorite frustration action here), post here:

    I know i did

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    Can't do it.

    If express myself freely right now, and especially if I say what I'm thinking about Joe Alleva, I can't be a moderator on the board, and the police will probably be at my house in 5 minutes...

    A movie is not about what it's about; it's about how it's about it.
    ---Roger Ebert


    Some questions cannot be answered
    Who’s gonna bury who
    We need a love like Johnny, Johnny and June
    ---Over the Rhine

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    If alleva manages to lose g...

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    I nearly had a broken hand for the women to match the one I broke when the men lost to GT. I would have sent the medical bill to Alleva. What an . . .

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    I understand the frustration

    Quote Originally Posted by throatybeard View Post
    Can't do it.

    If express myself freely right now, and especially if I say what I'm thinking about Joe Alleva, I can't be a moderator on the board, and the police will probably be at my house in 5 minutes...
    I mean, I know where you are coming from Throaty. Alleva's a moron, and there are a number of us that could be a more competent AD than Alleva.

    I'm not remotely joking about that.

    But blaming the loss on him isn't completely right. I mean, how many tourney games have we lost like this under Coach G? Alleva certainly didn't help the situation, but there's a pattern and practice here that predates Alleva's moronic commentary.

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    See MD, 2006. At least Duke got to the final game last year.

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    Help!

    I turned off everything and went for a walk!!! I don't know what the "moronic commentary" from Alleva was.

    Love, Ima

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicago 1995 View Post
    I mean, I know where you are coming from Throaty. Alleva's a moron, and there are a number of us that could be a more competent AD than Alleva.

    I'm not remotely joking about that.

    But blaming the loss on him isn't completely right. I mean, how many tourney games have we lost like this under Coach G? Alleva certainly didn't help the situation, but there's a pattern and practice here that predates Alleva's moronic commentary.
    Chicago, my first reaction to your post was, "Eh, probably correct."

    My second was, "Well, we lost by a point; would an Allevamuzzle have been worth a bucket?"

    My third, which seems to be sticking, is that Duke's women have shown a propensity to take the stage too seriously at this time of year and not to relax and just play. I find it eminently plausible that the questions within the team's circle created by Alleva's INCOMPREHENSIBLY STUPID comments made that precondition much, much harder to overcome. And in the game played in a parallel universe somewhere, I watched Duke win going away.

    I mean, come on, man. Would the old disingenuous vote of confidence been that hard to muster?

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    Exactly, jeeeez.

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    Agreed at least in part throaty.

    Quote Originally Posted by calltheobvious View Post
    Chicago, my first reaction to your post was, "Eh, probably correct."

    My second was, "Well, we lost by a point; would an Allevamuzzle have been worth a bucket?"

    My third, which seems to be sticking, is that Duke's women have shown a propensity to take the stage too seriously at this time of year and not to relax and just play. I find it eminently plausible that the questions within the team's circle created by Alleva's INCOMPREHENSIBLY STUPID comments made that precondition much, much harder to overcome. And in the game played in a parallel universe somewhere, I watched Duke win going away.

    I mean, come on, man. Would the old disingenuous vote of confidence been that hard to muster?
    Alleva should have said something along the lines of "We're lucky to have Gail. We know what an asset she is, and we understand that other schools may be interested in her. That's something that will have to be addressed after the season, but know that we're committed to women's basketball and to Gail here at Duke."

    And maybe his comments were worth one basket, but the same recurring problems in big games are the reason that one basket mattered. Same damn tight play in a tourney game. Everyone could see it slipping away. Same damn script. Different opponent and year.

    Frankly, I think she's going to leave whether we make her a competative offer or not. After a loss like this on top of last year, I don't know that I'd blame her for wanting a fresh start. Even the most confident, resolute person would have to wonder if it's ever going to happen here.

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    No argument here on any of that.

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    Regardless of whether an Alleva muzzle would have been worth 2 points or not, it's just terrible leadership on his part not to issue a boilerplate endorsement of her when asked. How hard would that have been?

    A movie is not about what it's about; it's about how it's about it.
    ---Roger Ebert


    Some questions cannot be answered
    Who’s gonna bury who
    We need a love like Johnny, Johnny and June
    ---Over the Rhine

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    Not hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by throatybeard View Post
    Regardless of whether an Alleva muzzle would have been worth 2 points or not, it's just terrible leadership on his part not to issue a boilerplate endorsement of her when asked. How hard would that have been?
    Not hard at all.

    He's a moron and he's a terrible representative of Duke, but he's got friends in high places, so I guess we're stuck with him.

    I'm sure there are at least 30 regular posters here who would be better ADs.

    Again, I'm not joking in the least.

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    What did Alleva say? I missed most of the game and was out of the house. Is this discussed in another thread somewhere?

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    What did he say?

    Quote Originally Posted by DankeShane View Post
    What did Alleva say? I missed most of the game and was out of the house. Is this discussed in another thread somewhere?

    I don't think he said anything, perhaps his lack of comment was cosidered participatory in today's loss where 2 points would have meant a victory.

    My mistake check out Thank you, Joe thread.
    Last edited by YmoBeThere; 03-24-2007 at 08:19 PM. Reason: Misstatement

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    I believe what everyone is talking about is his quote from here:
    "[Geno and Pat have] both won a lot of national championships and are part of programs that make money for their institutions. They bring in profit for their athletic departments, and that's not the case for our women's program," Alleva said. "I'm sure some of these other institutions will offer significantly large packages to encourage her to go.

    "I've received calls about Coach G for years. She's been our coach for the long term, and I hope to keep her as our coach for a long time.... Hopefully when all is said and done, she'll be our coach in the future."
    A ringing endorsement.

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    Firealleva

    I tried posting this when we had codes, but I never received a code for it;
    But let's try again:

    Carl Franks hire simply involved a phone call to Spurrier and then the hire - no effort

    Ted Roof hire - existing asst coach, no head coaching experience, only a local phone call required - no effort

    Baseball steroids coverup (took some effort), but had to protect Hiller a close personal friend whom he sold his house to.

    Horrible baseball program - again Hiller a friend, no effort to fire until forced to

    Lacrosse team reprimands long before March, 2006 - no program to implement change - no effort

    Speedboat crash involving his legally drunk son - Joe on board and should have been at the wheel (assuming he wasn't drunk) - no effort

    His efforts are seen back-slapping cronies that show up at games.

    Feinstein knows him and Feinstein has stated "Joe's next good idea will be his first".

    This is a capsule of our AD - why should G stay?

    If I have mis-characterized any of the above, please do not hesitate to let me know.

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    Arrow I nominate me

    Quote Originally Posted by Chicago 1995 View Post
    I'm sure there are at least 30 regular posters here who would be better ADs.
    And at least one that actually applied for the job. And I will again next time, too. I promise!
    Ozzie, your paradigm of optimism!

    Go To Hell carolina, Go To Hell!
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    How good are your skills at piloting a boat, Ozzie?

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    ---Roger Ebert


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    Who’s gonna bury who
    We need a love like Johnny, Johnny and June
    ---Over the Rhine

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    I know!

    Quote Originally Posted by OZZIE4DUKE View Post
    And at least one that actually applied for the job. And I will again next time, too. I promise!
    I know there's a strong group that will be supporting you too Ozzie.

    I'd like to put my hat in the ring as an assistant. Hopefully our conversations off line haven't been too contrarian.

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