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I know I’m asking for trouble, but I’ve got to ask this question. Having read the UNC scandal thread as well as the Penn State thread. What makes all of you think that something like this couldn’t happen at Duke?
During my lifetime experiences serving 20 years in the Army and now working 19 years for a Fortune 500 corporation, I hold the view that large institutions have a very hard time policing themselves and that they often will look to take the easy way out when trouble rears its ugly head.
Easy, the man at the top of the program. Not to say an isolated incident could happen of some sordid type, but I would bet everything I own that K would take ownership of the issue and not rest until it was dealt with properly. No one at Duke would tell him how to handle a child abuse scandal in the BB program. Paterno's comment that he was told by administration NOT to hold a presser, would not happen at Duke. Well, K may be told that, but he would blow it off if he felt he needed to. It is all about the character and courage of the man at the top of the program and what they are willing to risk to do the right thing. I think K would give up everything he has rather than cover up or take a back seat in something of this magnitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by ncexnyc
I cannot say that is what JoePa did, I don't have the facts, but IMO, K would have handled it much different by taking command of the situation from the start.
With your time in the Army, you must have seen leaders like this. Leaders who did the right thing regardless of the impact on their careers. The ones you respected immediately, not the political kiss tails. You probably saw others that would do whatever they had to do to CYA. I know I did in the Navy. Fortunately the CYA'ers were in the minority in my experience.
Anything is possible, but I think the answer to your question is coach K, that is why it wouldn't have gone as far as it did at PSU.
it's the only "television show" on my iPhone. I can watch any part of it on a moment's notice!Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeBlueDevil
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The best part of the show is the halftime, when Bobby Knight and Jay Bilas are giving Hubert Davis the business about the multiple cans of whoop-butt that were being opened by Duke.
half time show not included with itunes edition....:mad:
I also bought the game on iTunes and was bummed that they didn't include the halftime show. My favorite part was when Bobby Knight tears up his game notes and says he has no idea what UNC should do. My other favorite part of that night was getting on Inside Carolina and reading their in-game thread as we were ripping them apart.
Something like this has happened at Duke. Wikipedia refers to it as the 'Duke Lacrosse Case', but I think 'Scandal' is a more appropriate word.Quote:
Originally Posted by ncexnyc
As a junior/senior during this time, I can tell you that the Duke Lacrosse Scandal was devastating to the staff, the students, the alumni, the city of Durham, and certainly the athletic department.
Although innocent, the whole incident left a terrible scar on Duke athletics, which is why I think that a UNC-type case (or, God forbid, a PSU-type case) will not happen at Duke.
Not asking for trouble, you've asked a legit question. My answer is this: first, I think it could happen at Duke or any large organization but I also think it's less likely to happen at Duke (for reasons others have already stated). Let's not forget the most important part of this whole thing, however: it DID happen at UNC@CH. It's not a question or hypothetical, they were caught cheating and no matter how many times their fans cover their eyes and ears and chant "I hate D**k", it should be brought to light and they should be punished and I should get to enjoy every second of that!Quote:
Originally Posted by ncexnyc
No organization is immune to this type of problem. If it thinks it is, then it will someday have a problem. From a sports perspective, Duke has two things going for it: (1) our two revenue sports coaches clearly have high personal integrity and leadership that they have infused into their programs; (2) most, if not all, of our athletes and recruits see Duke as more than a highway to a pro career. That's not going to catch all problems before they occur, but it's a good start.Quote:
Originally Posted by elvis14
As for some of the other more recent posts on this thread, 82-50 was a glorious night! For Duke fans, for State fans, for Wake fans, and anyone else who wanted to see those guys taken down a peg. Didn't last long - not until Austin Rivers took the shot.:D
As flyingdutchdevil noted above, such a scandal has happened at Duke, barely 6 years ago. It was a 'coyotes guarding the henhouse' sorta thing as it relates to the Penn State case. The coaches weren't the problem in Durham, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by elvis14
I have no illusions about the infallibility of people that work for Duke University. But I do think that situations of this scale are less likely to occur at Duke, mainly because Duke will never enjoy the kind of external cocoon that would allow something like this to fester over a number of years. It's a lot harder for an institution to keep its wrongdoing secret when reporting information that paints that institution in an unfavorable light is such good business.Quote:
Originally Posted by ncexnyc
Seconded. The great thing about the proximity of three rival schools in such a small area is the way that they work as watch dogs for each other, not always with good intent, but the result is the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duvall
Was it last summer when Tar Heels were jumping all over Coach K for what was a minor (at most) infraction (if it was even determined to be so...)? Funny how recent trips to IC have yielded *nada* about the current state of affairs in the UNC athletics program. Maybe the yokels over there are in denial that BASKETBALL players were taking these shady classes? Regardless of how this all plays out, I consider this to be a major trump card for future "discussions" with UNC fans about the relative merits of both programs:D
God bless those Pack fans sifting through the muck to bring this to light!
The Daily Tar Heel has noticed the issue (though bball is not mentioned -- some things are sacred). Here is a link to the most prominent editorial in the current paper entitled "Athletic culture needs change: Athletic success should not come at the expense of academic rigor." http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/.../4ffd8dee4d721Quote:
Originally Posted by sircyclops
I don't have the link, but read the N&O version this morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newton_14
UNC maintains that you can't "prove" from the emails that Jennifer Wiley did more than "re-format" the paper discussed above (although the original version by the athlete was double-spaced).
The UNC current AD says all students in the AFAM curricula were given assignments and completed those assignments.
UNC still maintains that the classes were setup for all students.
The uncovering of the UNC coverup by State fans and by the N&O will be a lot of fun - stay tuned.
"You can do a lot with font." -- J. WileyQuote:
Originally Posted by arnie is still king
No way people in State College were saying this about Paterno for the last 30 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldnavy
I stand corrected. A thread on IC about these shenanigans has finally emerged: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&f=1410&t=9139039 A lotta "everyone cheats" excusing and pot shots at the academic credentials at State. When you have emeritus faculty claiming that this is the worst case of academic fraud in the university's history then I believe that this goes deeper than a couple of "crip" courses offered to atheletes...
Do the students that took these classes get to keep their degrees? Does the NCAA adjust their APR calculations?
Atakwenda motoni Carolina!
How can anyone possibly claim those things with a straight face? Did someone edit out all of the sarcastic laughter?Quote:
Originally Posted by arnie is still king
For me, it's that game and the 91 & 92 documentary. But what is the halftime show you're talking about? I didn't get to see the game live, owing to the fact that I don't have ESPN.Quote:
Originally Posted by moonpie23