Star Wars Jedi Deathmatch!

[Shammrog]

(Note: this also includes the evil Sith, as a subset of the Jedi.)

Who would win a fight to the death among the following?

Assume a one-on-one style death match, with no considerations of good/evil, etc.

[bhd28]

Revan

[Shammrog]

Revan


Is that a Star Wars character/Jedi? If not, not eligible!!!

[bluebear]

I was tempted to go with Mace Windu but chose Yoda instead...though in recently watching all the star wars episodes on spike, one of the more frustrating scenes (among a lot of frustrating scenes) in Revenge of the Sith is the way Yoda just gives up and goes into exile after really battling to a draw with the Emperor...given vader was all burned up, Yoda and Obi Wan should have just gone back to finish off the emperor...sure it would have made for a tough transition to episode 4 but come on now..

[Shammrog]

I was tempted to go with Mace Windu but chose Yoda instead...though in recently watching all the star wars episodes on spike, one of the more frustrating scenes (among a lot of frustrating scenes) in Revenge of the Sith is the way Yoda just gives up and goes into exile after really battling to a draw with the Emperor...given vader was all burned up, Yoda and Obi Wan should have just gone back to finish off the emperor...sure it would have made for a tough transition to episode 4 but come on now..

I went with Yoda as well; after seeing the scene in the second of the "new" Star Wars movies (who was he fighting?), you CANNOT not go with Yoda.

Yoda is supreme.

[bluebear]

I went with Yoda as well; after seeing the scene in the second of the "new" Star Wars movies (who was he fighting?), you CANNOT not go with Yoda.

Yoda is supreme.

That was one of the truly good scenes in the new movies. I think he was fighting Count Duku (can't spell it the other way :) )

[blublood]

I'm casting a vote for him for old time's sake. Hey, brother didn't have CGI, didn't have a wire fighting team, had only one good hand, and *still* managed to save the galaxy! :D

[DukeUsul]

Mace Windu was killed by the Emperor
Obi-wan Kenobi was killed by Vader
Luke Skywalker...... is a wuss
Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker..... killed by the Emperor
Yoda...... old age gets us all
Darth Maul (Double Light Saber!).... killed by Obi-Wan
Darth Sidius/The Emperor..... killed by Darth Vader
General Grevious...... killed by Obi-Wan
Other (Describe)

The only logical choices would be either Yoda or Luke (considering all the others did in fact die in death matches with other Jedi/Sith). And clearly Yoda would beat Luke. So Yoda it is!

[bhd28]

Is that a Star Wars character/Jedi? If not, not eligible!!!

Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic video game... quite popular and part of the movie's history according to Lucas.

[Cavlaw]

Revan
Definitely.

[cato]

Mace Windu was killed by the Emperor
Obi-wan Kenobi was killed by Vader
Luke Skywalker...... is a wuss
Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker..... killed by the Emperor
Yoda...... old age gets us all
Darth Maul (Double Light Saber!).... killed by Obi-Wan
Darth Sidius/The Emperor..... killed by Darth Vader
General Grevious...... killed by Obi-Wan
Other (Describe)

The only logical choices would be either Yoda or Luke (considering all the others did in fact die in death matches with other Jedi/Sith). And clearly Yoda would beat Luke. So Yoda it is!

You're leaving out some important aspects. Mace may have been "killed" by the Emperor, but he was disarmed (heh) by Skywalker. It was not a one-on-one fight.

Vader did not defeat Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan did defeat Skywalker.

Vader did not fight the Emperor. He simply picked the dude up and threw him over the railing.

To sum up: we never saw Windu, Obi-Wan, Yoda or the Emperor lose a Jedi/Sith deathmatch (although I think the Emperor got the better of Yoda).
Windu and the Emperor were both blindsided. Neither Obi-Wan nor Yoda were defeated.

Finally, I believe that Luke's defeat of Vader, and then refusal to go Sith is meant to indicate that he was the more powerful of the Skywalkers.

[Duke4Ever32]

None of these guys could beat Obi-Wan Ginobili:

http://www.benortiz.com/archives/000195.php

[DukeDevil]

If it's just lightsabers, I think I saw somewhere that's cannon that Mace is supposed to be the best around with a lightsaber. I think including force powers though, he'd go down to yoda. I was dissapointed in Yoda kind of taking off after the sidius threw a few things at him...it just seemed kind of...lame.

[DukeUsul]

You're leaving out some important aspects. Mace may have been "killed" by the Emperor, but he was disarmed (heh) by Skywalker. It was not a one-on-one fight.

Vader did not defeat Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan did defeat Skywalker.

Vader did not fight the Emperor. He simply picked the dude up and threw him over the railing.

To sum up: we never saw Windu, Obi-Wan, Yoda or the Emperor lose a Jedi/Sith deathmatch (although I think the Emperor got the better of Yoda).
Windu and the Emperor were both blindsided. Neither Obi-Wan nor Yoda were defeated.

Finally, I believe that Luke's defeat of Vader, and then refusal to go Sith is meant to indicate that he was the more powerful of the Skywalkers.

Ok so I was thinking of trying to counter all these arguments, and then I realized there's a much better way of solving this.

We all need to get this when it comes out:
http://www.lucasarts.com/games/theforceunleashed/

[NovaScotian]

don't tell me you forgot about lando, baby!

[Shammrog]

don't tell me you forgot about lando, baby!


First, Lando was too stoked out on Colt 45 most of the time to do anything in the struggle...

Second, he is not a Jedi or derivative thereof. If this weren't a requirement, we would have to include HANS SOLO!*

(*who gets an honorable mention anyway for the line "I know." after Princess Leia said she loved him.)

[Cavlaw]

First, Lando was too stoked out on Colt 45 most of the time to do anything in the struggle...

Second, he is not a Jedi or derivative thereof. If this weren't a requirement, we would have to include HANS SOLO!*

(*who gets an honorable mention anyway for the line "I know." after Princess Leia said she loved him.)
You did include General Greivous, who I do not believe was a Sith or a Jedi...

[Shammrog]

You did include General Greivous, who I do not believe was a Sith or a Jedi...

I knew that; but decided to include him anyway because of his light saber prowess - 4 at once, no less!

[SilkyJ]

Mace "Sammy J" Windu. He took down the emperor! Even Yoda couldn't do that!

[billybreen]

Mace "Sammy J" Windu. He took down the emperor! Even Yoda couldn't do that!

The Emperor was just baiting Anakin. He could have destroyed Mace.

[cato]

The Emperor was just baiting Anakin. He could have destroyed Mace.

My friend and I have a long running debate on this topic. I personally think that it works better with the story if Windu really did beat the Emperor in a one-on-one fight, but that he was so blinded by his arrogance that he never thought that Skywalker could blindside him. Of course, your theory is also entirely possible. I don't think the movie is definitive either way, but I think that my interpretation makes the fall of the Jedi that much more tragic.

[JasonEvans]

The Emperor was just baiting Anakin. He could have destroyed Mace.

I'm with Breen. The Emperor was pretending to be weak and eaten to force Anakin to take some action. To me, this was evident when Anakin took action and the Emperor promptly wasted Mace's butt with a very powerful blast of blue lightning.

Still, I voted for Yoda. Even if he was older and was not himself when we saw him battle Duku and the Emperor I saw no mention that this poll had a timetable on it. In fact, it must be a poll of how they were in their prime as many of them were of different generations and could never otherwise meet in battle.

So, in his prime, there is little question that Yoda was the kick-butt master. End of story.

-Jason "I agree that Yoda fleeing the Emperor at the end of Sith was lame-- but Lucas was all about lame, cop-out endings at that point" Evans

[cato]

I'm with Breen. The Emperor was pretending to be weak and eaten to force Anakin to take some action. To me, this was evident when Anakin took action and the Emperor promptly wasted Mace's butt with a very powerful blast of blue lightning.

Perhaps. However, Windu's guard against the blue lightning seemed pretty good until Anakin's attack, and he inflicted serious damage on the Emperor (at least by the looks of him).

More importantly, the parallel with the death of the Emperor works better the other way around:

In Ep. 3, Windu would have defeated the Emperor, but for Anakin's intervention on the Emperor's behalf.

In Ep. 6, the Emperor would have defeated Luke, but for Anakin's intervention on Luke's behalf.

Since Anakin/Vader is the central character of the whole story line, I think that it is more neat to have him be the deciding influence in each case.

[Cavlaw]

But even the Mandalorians feared Revan! You don't get much tougher than that.

On the other hand, Darth Nihilus could have consumed the galaxy, but for coming face-to-face with his counterpart, the Exile.

[Highlander]

Perhaps. However, Windu's guard against the blue lightning seemed pretty good until Anakin's attack, and he inflicted serious damage on the Emperor (at least by the looks of him).

More importantly, the parallel with the death of the Emperor works better the other way around:

In Ep. 3, Windu would have defeated the Emperor, but for Anakin's intervention on the Emperor's behalf.

In Ep. 6, the Emperor would have defeated Luke, but for Anakin's intervention on Luke's behalf.

Since Anakin/Vader is the central character of the whole story line, I think that it is more neat to have him be the deciding influence in each case.

I'm with you. Windu knew as long as Palpatine stayed alive he could get out of any legal predicament the Jedi could throw at him too, which is why he thought it best to kill him there rather than have him stand trial.
I think the emperor knew Anakin would not allow Windu to kill him as long as he believed the emperor was his only hope to save Padme. And as soon as Anakin acted to stay (or cut off) Windu's hand, he could push him over the edge by killing Windu.

Anakin's rage at what happened to his mother also helped push him towards the dark side, and his love for Padme made him break his Jedi vows. One could argue that love for others was both the reason for Vader's turn to the dark side (saving his wife), as well as his turn back to good (saving his son).